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    Politicians for you...

    I just hope they dont take the "weapons" out and put firearms back in limiting to just guns.

    I might have missed it reading the final bill as of what was posted today on the senate web but is there a provision to carry openly without license?

    In addition I also hope they do not take out the public gathering provision.
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    Just on local 5 news they are voting on it last thing tonight just before midnight.
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    The Conference Committee Report version passed both the House and Senate.

    Airport carry may have been removed. I couldn't tell for sure as feed was breaking up, but that's sure what it sounded like. Only airport car carry when traveling through, dropping off or picking up is what is seemed like Senator Seabaugh was presenting the CCR version for vote to the Senate. If this is so, it will depend on which bill gets signed first (SB291 or SB308) as to whether we get Airport carry or not. It's also note a sure bet that Sonny Perdue won't veto one or both bills.

    No Campus carry either, only in car carry on campus. And then, only by those with a GFL can have one in their car, otherwise a felony.

    I'm sure we'll know more of the specifics tomorrow when the as passed version is posted.
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    Well it may not be all the rights we deserve but the state is getting closer each year to support our 2A rights as they should be observed. Im excited that we get to carry in public gatherings as if you ask me was highly unconstitutional and extremely gray. Now there will be no question as long as it isnt on govt property. And no more getting pulled over within 1000' of a school and getting charged with that as well. Do you know how many roads are only 300' from the front of the school sigh .. that was so gray.

    The airport situation is highly political because the head of the Atlanta Airport is an extreme leftist whom believes that it would be the wild wild west if someone carried a gun into the main checkin area while dropping their wife off for a flight out.

    Remember last legislative session when they challenged airport carry and the airport won?
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    OK, I've just got home from work and watched the archive of the Senate Submission and vote of the Conference Committee Report on SB308 which passed by a very strong majority. If you would like to watch the SB308 CCR being submitted to the Senate for the final vote that passes the bill and sends it on to the Governor, then you can by going to http://mediam1.gpb.org/ga/leg/2010/g...SINE%20DIE.wmv and scanning forward to approximately 3:35 of the video. By warned and prepared to get extremely PO'd at a couple of our state representatives that tried everything in their power to hold it up.

    Also, you will hear language of the NRA not supporting this bill which is a very hot topic right now for many Georgians. Some legislators and persons that were there suggest that the NRA actually tried to sabotage the bill. I'm sure all the facts will come out on this and I'll hold off commenting on the NRA until then.

    It appears that airport language in the bill did not get changed, but got removed completely. According to Senator Seabaugh's explanation on the archived video of last nights vote, all airport language was removed but that other language in the bill allows car carry and would intern protect you while driving through, picking up or dropping off. All Airport language being dropped is better than reworded as it won't in effect void airport language that's included in SB291. If it was reworded, which ever bill was signed last (assuming both get signed by the Governor) would void conflicting language in the other bill. So now we need to contact Governor Perdue and encourage him to sign both SB291 and SB308.

    As for the passed version, you can find how your GA Representatives voted on it at Georgia General Assembly - House Vote 1036 and how your GA Senators voted on it at Georgia General Assembly - Senate Vote 946.

    There is a paper copied version supposedly of the SB308 CCR as passed at http://www.orcuttlabs.com/public/sb308ccr.pdf but the official site still doesn't have the as passed version posted. As soon as they do, I'll posted the link to the official version.
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    I just watched the 308 portion of the video and my gosh....

    These people have absolutely nothing better to do than spit in our eye directly.

    The senator defending 308 against the fat ridiculous green shirt wearing heathen trying to filibust had some very good defense and im happy our state is still pro 2a.

    I believe that this is a good thing that this legislation is moving in this direction as with each year more is proven without room for argument against the fact that law abiding folks cause no problems with obeying the law.

    Oh and that one black senator knows a ton about firearm sales obviously quoting that you can buy a 00.95cent special at the gun store.

    Last I checked you could only buy a useless nra patch for that price.
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    Did any of the opposition of this bill even read it???????

    GOD I cant wait to vote these people out of our state legislation.

    We can start with these 11 useless human beings:

    Brown - Buckner - Butler - Fort - Harbison - Henson - Jackson - James - *Orrock* - Tate - *Thompson*
    ** those people really are on my bad side from alot of past legislation.

    http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2...tes/sv0946.htm

    And most importantly im writing my letter and preparing my withdrawl from the NRA. I seen their representatives spitting in our eye. I'm going to send my funds to georgiapacking and georgiacarry.org
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    An article on the Examiner about the NRA at the Capitol Building during the last session: NRA at odds with gun law reform in Georgia

    I think it boils down to the NRA wanted some language in the bill, couldn't get it and then started threating representatives thinking maybe they could get it that way. Whether they actually went around asking some to vote no, I have no idea. There are a couple people that say they witnessed this, but most others are just repeating it.

    I do think the NRA has fielded hundreds of calls and emails from Georgia Citizens today and even got several membership cancellations. They are on damage control and have posted an article on their website supporting the bill, even though they incorrectly state concealed carry license whereas in Georgia, it's a Firearms permit to CC or OC. Anyways, they at least now seem to be supporting the bill and encouraging Georgians to contact the Governor and request he sign it.
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    Yeah but in the Video of the legislative session I seen with my own 2 eyes a big fat NRA rep shooting down the bill. What more needs to be said?

    If the NRA fires that rep that was on the podium and declares an apology that he was not or will not be supported I will regain faith.
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    Me Again,

    So, do any of you guys want to go on record here as predicting when his honorable Governor Sonny Purdue will sign? And if he will sign both 308 and 291?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangoseal View Post
    Yeah but in the Video of the legislative session I seen with my own 2 eyes a big fat NRA rep shooting down the bill. What more needs to be said?

    If the NRA fires that rep that was on the podium and declares an apology that he was not or will not be supported I will regain faith.

    tangoseal, what video did you see? I saw Senator Mitch Seabaugh present the CCR version of the Bill. Senator Seabaugh is the bill's champion and has worked extremely hard to get it to where it is now. He did not state that the NRA was against the bill, only that they had issues with the Airport portion of the bill being removed. I did see Senator Nan Orrock, a stanch anti-gunner, bring up the question why the NRA is not supporting this bill. Watching it again I see Seabaugh say that the Governor weighed in on SB308 and changed the airport language and this made the NRA drop their support of the bill. While he did say they dropped their support of the bill, I did not see anyone say that they asked anyone to vote against it as some suggest. It is something we need to be in contact with the NRA though, letting them know that in GA, Georgians concerns come first, not the NRAs. I think they are getting this point now and are throwing their support behind this bill to get the Governor to sign it. I think they may have worries about their strongly supported bill, SB291, being vetoed and that may be why they were pushing so hard to get the same airport language in SB308.

    I think we need to be extremely worried about the comment Senator Seabaugh made of the Governor weighing in on the bill to have airport language removed. This means that SB291 may get vetoed because that bill does include the airport language that was removed from SB308. Not only that, SB291 also contains Katrina language (state of emergency can not disarm citizens) that Perdue is strongly apposed too. This gives me great worries of SB291 getting signed. I hope it does, but these are two things perdue is opposed too and really the only two things that SB291 would add that SB308 wouldn't. I would think it's extremely important for every GA citizen to contact Perdue requesting that he sign SB291 along with SB308.


    BTW, I did love when Seantor Nan Orrock asked how high the bar was in GA to get a license, Senator Seabaugh responded that it's higher than the requirements of a Law Enforcement Officer and that we have LEOs on the force now that would not be able to get a permit as an ordinary citizen.
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    BTW, LC 29 4438S is the as passed SB308 bill that went through Conference Committee and will go on to the Governor to be signed. It is now up at Georgia General Assembly - SB 308 as the posted version (all the linked versions are ealrier versions). So now you can read the official as passed version on the official site.
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    Phan,

    Maybe I didnt listen correctly but I swore that there was a fat large guy on the podium way close to the end of the process whom said "He and the NRA will not support this bill, He being a member of the NRA".

    Im happy Seabaugh defended this bill as I said earlier in this thread he made some darn good arguments in defense of citizens with the right to defend themselves especially the part where he noted that there is no CONNECTION that can be possibly made between law abiding citizens and irresponsible gun crimes. It is the criminal that break the law of which do not have licenses.
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    I hope Sonny goes to the unemployment office as well.

    We need someone new and someone who believes in our state constitution and country constitution way more than this guy. I may not know enough about him but his past stances on certain ideals drove me a little angry at him.

    Where is our lawsuit against the Feds on healthcare? I thought he was putting some crack commando legal team together without the waste of flesh AG we have. Or was that just words to feed our anger until we forgot about healthcare.

    Im starting to look at Karen Handel a little, a little I say, but there is some questions about her I need to clear up with her past.
    "I believe that the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms must not be infringed if liberty in America is to survive." - Ronald Reagan

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