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    Heavily-Armed Cartel Attacks Mexican Army;
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    Friday, April 02, 2010

    At the end of March, troops of a major drug cartel launched a series of attacks on military personnel and installations in a half dozen cities in the northern Mexican states of Nueva Leon and Tamaulipas. Fortunately, things did not work out as the narco-thugs had hoped. At least 18 of them are now taking the kind of siesta from which there is no awakening and, at last count, only one Mexican soldier was injured.

    Contrary to the notion that the cartels depend on semi-automatic rifles bought illegally in the United States, the cartel conducted its attacks with a variety of weapons that cannot be legally bought anywhere in our country. As the Los Angeles Times reported, "In coordinated attacks, gunmen in armored cars and equipped with grenade launchers fought army troops this week. . . . The army said it confiscated armored cars, grenade launchers, about 100 military-grade grenades, [and] explosive devices" in addition to a large quantity of ammunition.

    Contrast that reality with the fiction perpetuated by politicians on both sides of the border. NRA members certainly recall that soon after President Obama took office last year, Attorney General Eric Holder stated his support for an "assault weapon" ban as the solution to Mexico's drug violence. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Cal.), the sponsor of the federal "assault weapon" ban in 1993, soon called upon President Obama to support the Inter-American Convention Against Illegal Arms Trafficking, claiming, "According to the Mexican government, about 90 percent of the weapons they seize from Mexican drug cartels came into the country illegally from the United States." Newspapers around the country fell for the ruse hook, line and sinker, parroting the 90 percent claim, as well as the utterly absurd, mathematically impossible claim that 2,000 guns cross from the U.S. into Mexico each day.

    Apoplectic anti-gun members of Congress held dozens of hearings on the Mexico situation, including field hearings along the border. At one dog and pony show in El Paso, former Democrat Party presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) obligatorily called for a ban on the importation of "assault weapons," a ban already imposed in 1989 by the BATF (as it was then known), apparently without Sen. Kerry's knowledge. In fact, at a hearing on Capitol Hill, Sen. Feinstein nearly burst a blood vessel when a witness refused to support her belief that 2,000 guns crossed the border every day.

    U.S. politicians have since maintained a low profile on the issue, fearful of the potential for a backlash at the polls in November. Last month, however, Mexico's president, Felipe Calderon, complained that "there are more than 10,000 gun stores along the American border with Mexico. . . . So, the United States must stop the flow of assault weapons to Mexico."

    The claim is no more true today than when it was first floated a year ago. As we have noted, most of the guns that Mexico has seized from the cartels and asked the BATFE to trace (because markings on those particular firearms indicated that they came from the U.S.) represent only a small percentage of guns that Mexico has seized.

    This was stated, though not clearly, in a Government Accountability Office report last summer (see document pages 14-15). However, lest anyone be misled by GAO's lack of thoroughness on this point, the Department of Homeland Security, in an appendix to the GAO's report (see page 69), set the record straight.

    "DHS officials separately question the statistic involving the origination of weapons as currently presented by GAO," DHS said. "GAO asserts that, 'Available evidence suggests most firearms recovered in Mexico come from U.S. gun dealers, and many support Drug Trafficking Organizations.' and fuel Mexican drug violence. Using the Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) eTrace data, GAO determined that about 87 percent of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced from fiscal years 2004 to 2008 originated in the United States. DHS officials believe that the 87 percent statistic is misleading as the reference should include the number of weapons that could not be traced (i.e., out of approximately 30,000 weapons seized in Mexico, approximately 4,000 could be traced and 87 percent of those—3,480—originated in the United States.) Numerous problems with the data collection and sample population render this assertion as unreliable."

    In the early part of the 20th century, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis said "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." That is certainly the case in this story. As the vast scope of the Mexican drug cartels' multi-million dollar arsenals is incrementally uncovered, the attempt by opponents of the right to arms to use Mexico's problem as the excuse for restricting Second Amendment rights has fallen flat.

    And to Mexico's soldiers who obliterated the cartels' punks and thugs last week, we say "buen tiro" (translation: "Good shooting").


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    Thanks for posting this. I actually got the email yesterday but hadn't had the chance to go through it. You saved me some time.
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    Heaven forbid Fort Hood should come under such a siege... the bad guys would be met by just 9mms fired from Berettas. I cringe at the thought.
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    I believe everyone over the rank of E-5 should be armed when ever on duty as a part of duty uniform.

    In most cases to reach E-5 or higher requires a reenlistment, and should give enough time to be very proficient with firearm.

    Even office personal with E-5 or higher and all officers should carry side arm with ammo at all times while on duty as a part of duty uniform no matter the class of uniform.

    Firearms should be carried as much by our military as our civilian LEOs.

    IMO this should apply to all branches of the service and all duty stations.

    IMO this would lead to a more professional armed forces and a more respect for rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    I believe everyone over the rank of E-5 should be armed when ever on duty as a part of duty uniform.

    In most cases to reach E-5 or higher requires a reenlistment, and should give enough time to be very proficient with firearm.

    Even office personal with E-5 or higher and all officers should carry side arm with ammo at all times while on duty as a part of duty uniform no matter the class of uniform.

    Firearms should be carried as much by our military as our civilian LEOs.

    IMO this should apply to all branches of the service and all duty stations.

    IMO this would lead to a more professional armed forces and a more respect for rank.

    JMHO YMMV
    I agree. If they don't want to trust you with guns, they have no business allowing you to enlist in the first place. They call it the "profession of arms" and refuse to allow us to be armed. It is sickening and offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    I believe everyone over the rank of E-5 should be armed when ever on duty as a part of duty uniform.

    In most cases to reach E-5 or higher requires a reenlistment, and should give enough time to be very proficient with firearm.

    Even office personal with E-5 or higher and all officers should carry side arm with ammo at all times while on duty as a part of duty uniform no matter the class of uniform.

    Firearms should be carried as much by our military as our civilian LEOs.

    IMO this should apply to all branches of the service and all duty stations.

    IMO this would lead to a more professional armed forces and a more respect for rank.

    JMHO YMMV
    Interesting proposition, and on it's surface, I would tend to agree.

    However, it will never get past the Pentagon. Too many lawyers there!
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    Good Post. Well done to the Mexican Army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Heaven forbid Fort Hood should come under such a siege... the bad guys would be met by just 9mms fired from Berettas. I cringe at the thought.
    I would bet that all three soldiers who are allowed to have guns on the base would be shooting back.
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    It was pathetic being stationed at Camp Pendelton MCB in california.

    They had a gun shop in the MC Exchange but you could NOT carry on the base either in uniform or in civilian clothes. PERIOD!

    Thats like selling shaving cream at the exchange but banning razor blades.
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    Don't do a shooting spree on a Navy base.
    the two people on watch at the boarding ramp of any ship are armed.
    (at condition 0, when I was in but it is better then nothing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Interesting proposition, and on it's surface, I would tend to agree.

    However, it will never get past the Pentagon. Too many lawyers there!
    Require all lawyers and staff at Pentagon to be weapon qualified and proficient and OC on the job, change of attitude should be profound.

    Not proficient with carry weapon loose job and benefits.

    Daydreaming is just great, But these folks do work for a shooting military and need to know what it is like to be responsible for some thing beside paper shuffling.
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    Back in the day when I went to Germany in 84, we did guard duty covering the front gate of CFB lahar with a GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun) in a sandbagged bunker. The gate guards had Hi-Powers and SMG's.

    Re smuggling of guns, Canada finds about 1500 guns a year in the 3% of cargo searched, most of the guns come from the US or Eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    Require all lawyers and staff at Pentagon to be weapon qualified and proficient and OC on the job, change of attitude should be profound.

    Not proficient with carry weapon loose job and benefits.

    Daydreaming is just great, But these folks do work for a shooting military and need to know what it is like to be responsible for some thing beside paper shuffling.
    That's why Marines wear their qualification on their uniforms. Everyone who sees you knows how well you shoot with both, rifle and pistol. Peer pressure works wonders!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Interesting proposition, and on it's surface, I would tend to agree.

    However, it will never get past the Pentagon. Too many lawyers there!
    That is the problem! Toooo many lawyers, especially in the Pentagon!

    From what I hear about the rules of engagement in Afghanistan, if the terrorist shots at our guys and then throws down his weapon, they aren't allowed to kill him. Give me a break!

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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher 45 View Post
    I believe everyone over the rank of E-5 should be armed when ever on duty as a part of duty uniform.

    In most cases to reach E-5 or higher requires a reenlistment, and should give enough time to be very proficient with firearm.

    Even office personal with E-5 or higher and all officers should carry side arm with ammo at all times while on duty as a part of duty uniform no matter the class of uniform.

    Firearms should be carried as much by our military as our civilian LEOs.

    IMO this should apply to all branches of the service and all duty stations.

    IMO this would lead to a more professional armed forces and a more respect for rank.

    JMHO YMMV
    I've seen too many morons achieve E-5 in their first enlistment; I would say start with E-6. Most E-6s are on their second gig (career-oriented) and have demonstrated at least a bare minimum of competence.

    Other than that, I concur with the plan.
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