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    If you like this forum....

    Then you might want to visit the links below to protect the internet as it exists currently. The FCC and a group called (ironically) Free Press are pushing hard for net neutrality . Sites like DefensiveCarry will be considered dangerous , which we all know is a lot of bunk. Link below. Every little bit helps.

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    Do not fret the Courts already fought this monster of a govt agency.

    US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality' - Yahoo! Finance
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    Just be sure what you are fighting for. Letting the free market decide may let individual companies such as Comcast decide what gets sent over their cable and which companies get preferential bandwidth.

    Once the net was made public, it was designed to be open plain and simple. We don't need cable companies/ISPs/etc. deciding what gets to go over the pipe and what doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantoms View Post
    Just be sure what you are fighting for. Letting the free market decide may let individual companies such as Comcast decide what gets sent over their cable and which companies get preferential bandwidth.

    Once the net was made public, it was designed to be open plain and simple. We don't need cable companies/ISPs/etc. deciding what gets to go over the pipe and what doesn't.
    We're already getting some of this as the larger companies buy up the smaller ones.

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    wait what?

    net neutrality is a good thing. The goal of it is not to censor or have government control the internet (such as in China or Australia) , its to prevent ISP's from pulling a huge dick move and making the internet like cable TV (thats a gross exaggeration but it should get the point across).

    Without some form of net neutrality, this site and others like it could potentially be inaccessible because ISP's will give bandwidth priority to the highest bidder - So unless you're owned by Viacom, sony, and all the other media giants you might not have much of a shot of getting your information out there.

    Lets not ruin the internet because we slap a big stupid label on ourselves. Its not healthy to believe in all the propaganda (from whatever side your label is on)

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    A three judge panel for the District of Columbia rains on the parade and tells the FCC they can't regulate net neutrality: Court: FCC Can't Regulate On Net Neutrality - CBS News

    This is one time I'm for regulation.

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    Could this be part of the 'change' we heard about?
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    I'm not smart enough to fully understand all the legalese in some of these court rulings.

    But, I know one thing. If a bureaucrat appointed by this administration is trying to force a change, then I am automatically going to assume it is something I will likely oppose. I may end up being wrong, but probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    We're already getting some of this as the larger companies buy up the smaller ones.
    Don't be too eager to pass authority onto the government. The argument in favor of net neutrality is a red herring. Once you give them the power to regulate content (the power to make someone provide a service can be used to prevent them from providing one as well) any number of perversions of the intent can be made. Case in point the clean air act was never intended to allow the EPA to regulate carbon dioxide but all the sudden that is what it is being used to do.

    If a large company decides they aren't going to allow content when a significant demand in the market place exists, guess what will happen? Someone who is looking to make a lot of money will start providing that content.

    If the government tells you that content is not allowed then you are not going to get it bottom line because they will lock up anyone who tries to provide it.

    A large company or group of large companies can put major barriers to entry in place for an upstart but those barriers are much easier to overcome than to try and find a way around government regulations that will just get rewritten to close any loop hole you try to exploit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    could this be part of the 'change' we heard about?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ true & agree 100%^^^^^^^^^^^^
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    I do however wish to see a court ruling that clearly states that you CANT BLOCK anything on the Internet. It needs to be fully 100% open. If you do not wish to receive something then buy a firewall, if you dont want your kids seeing porn, buy blocking software ... etc... but DO NOT tell me what I can and cant get when I pay for it. And that would be the ISP telling me not the govt. This could be a case that govt intervention could work in favor of the citizenry but it depends on the limits imposed and the controls the courts would recognize the FCC having. Im very sure this case will be revisited as im quite sure the FCC will take this the US COURT OF APPEALS.
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    net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tangoseal View Post
    I do however wish to see a court ruling that clearly states that you CANT BLOCK anything on the Internet. It needs to be fully 100% open. ..... This could be a case that govt intervention could work in favor of the citizenry
    Bingo.

    As someone else said, net neutrality is a good thing. It means all data gets the same treatment. The telecoms don't get to transmit "preferred" data rapidly and DC when they get around to it.

    I think someone got the idea of net neutrality backwards, and the court got its decision against FCC backward. The case was win for a big corporation over the good of all of us. What else is new?

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    One of my truisms when it comes to legal decisions in civil matters:

    Follow the money and you'll find the winner just about every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natticarry View Post
    Don't be too eager to pass authority onto the government. The argument in favor of net neutrality is a red herring. Once you give them the power to regulate content (the power to make someone provide a service can be used to prevent them from providing one as well) any number of perversions of the intent can be made. Case in point the clean air act was never intended to allow the EPA to regulate carbon dioxide but all the sudden that is what it is being used to do.
    That pretty much sums up my position on this issue. Great point.

    Bureaucracy only knows one stradegy and that is growth.

    However the corporations and their lobbyists aren't any better as Hopyard alluded to. One or the other can eventually be counted on to srew up everything.

    Who will save us? Oh yeah, Obama. Whew, that was a close one. lol
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    From what I have read this case came about because of some customers using much more bandwidth than normal. These people most likely were using programs such as bit torrent to download movies and music. It was about bandwidth usage and not censorship.

    Would a better way of controlling this have been charging extra for those who may use more bandwidth?

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