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    Man this state is getting more and more like a giant prison every day!

    California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration - Taking Liberties - CBS News

    California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration

    A California Democrat is proposing a new law requiring residents to register their shotguns and rifles or go to jail, CBSNews.com has learned.

    Assemblyman Mike Feuer, whose district includes Beverly Hill and West Hollywood, this week introduced legislation ordering law enforcement to "permanently keep" records of anyone who buys a gun from a dealer or an individual. California already stores information about handgun purchases.

    Feuer is no friend of firearms owners: his previous legislative effort, which Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law, required all new handguns to include "microstamping" technology that can imprint serial numbers on spent ammunition casings. As a Los Angeles city councilman, Feuer proposed limiting city residents to one gun a month.

    Feuer spokeswoman Arianna Smith declined to answer questions about the bill on Tuesday afternoon, saying the staff member involved was in a meeting and not immediately available.

    The proposal comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is considering a landmark civil rights case, McDonald v. Chicago, which will decide whether Second Amendment rights in the federal constitution trump state anti-gun laws. But California is proposing mandatory registration -- and not a flat ban, as Washington, D.C. once tried and the justices rejected -- and even legal scholars specializing in this area disagree about whether registration is constitutional.

    "Even though the constitutionality of such a measure is a close call, it is a horrible public policy choice," says Gene Hoffman, chairman of the CalGuns Foundation. "Just as Canada is about to do away with their long gun registry after squandering $1 billion, California wishes to attack law abiding gun owners for firearms not used in crime."

    A CBC News article last month reported that the Canadian parliament is backing away from the nation's gun registry, which was enacted in 1989 and has now come under fire by critics who call it a billion-dollar boondoggle.

    Feuer's bill isn't exactly a surprise: He told the Brady Campaign, an anti-gun advocacy group, earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms. "This legislation will close a glaring loophole and ensure that all firearm records, not just handgun records, are maintained for law enforcement purposes," Ellen Boneparth, spokesperson for the California Brady Campaign Chapters, said in a statement at the time.

    Feuer appears to have adopted an unusual approach to introducing his mandatory registration bill. He took an existing piece of criminal legislation, AB 1810, that dealt with graffiti and vandalism, and replaced it with a completely new version with the same bill number.

    A hearing is scheduled for April 13 in Sacramento before the California State Assembly's Committee on Public Safety.

    At the moment, a minority of states including New York, Maryland, California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts require mandatory registration for handguns. Others, like Pennsylvania, require sales of handguns to go through a dealer, who keeps records of the transaction.

    No federal firearm registry exists, though some anti-gun types have pushed for one in the past. An unsuccessful 1995 bill, H.R. 169, would have imposed California-style registration of handguns nationwide through a "federal handgun registration system." Violations would have been punished by up to 12 years in prison. The author of the bill, Rep. Cardiss Collins, D-Illinois, told her colleagues at the time that "I still believe the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright."

    Declan McCullagh is a correspondent for CBS Interactive's CNET News and a contributor to CBSNews.com. You can e-mail him or follow him on Twitter as declanm. Declan previously was a reporter for Time and the Washington bureau chief for Wired.

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    Oh and let me add, this is in a time of no money, prisoner releases and cuts in emergency services and police.

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    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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    Oh and let me add, this is in a time of no money, prisoner releases and cuts in emergency services and police.

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    Ahnold governator and the CA legislature plan to release tens of thousands of prison inmates in a money saving scheme. You can bet that thousands of those inmates that are released have multiple convictions of violent felonies.

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    california is a cancer and they try to spread their mentality all over the west

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    My God, the sooner this state floats off into the ocean, the better off we'll all be....

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus View Post
    Feuer's bill isn't exactly a surprise: He told the Brady Campaign, an anti-gun advocacy group, earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms. "This legislation will close a glaring loophole and ensure that all firearm records, not just handgun records, are maintained for law enforcement purposes," Ellen Boneparth, spokesperson for the California Brady Campaign Chapters, said in a statement at the time.
    Hey - its closing a glaring loophole. To others this loophole is commonly referred to as "FREEDOM".
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    ...He told the Brady Campaign, an anti-gun advocacy group, earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms...

    Mmmmm interesting, I wonder how this works?
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    The criminalization of everything.

    Makes you wonder what politicians hate so much about citizens. Makes you wonder what this putz thinks he'll fix by forcing upstanding people to report the guns they have, while the firearms stashes of criminals will continue to be (a) unknown to the system and (b) unreported to the new bureaucrats. Makes you wonder when the confiscation of everyone's firearms by the state will commence.

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    They are just planning to tax them. Just watch. Hmm what will they call it? Citizen Protection Tax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    The criminalization of everything.

    Makes you wonder what politicians hate so much about citizens. Makes you wonder what this putz thinks he'll fix by forcing upstanding people to report the guns they have, while the firearms stashes of criminals will continue to be (a) unknown to the system and (b) unreported to the new bureaucrats. Makes you wonder when the confiscation of everyone's firearms by the state will commence.

    Being a politician with an open mouth should be a crime. Whaddayathink?
    It's not hate, it's fear. I'm sure the gangbangers and illegals will be the first in line to register their guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    ...He told the Brady Campaign, an anti-gun advocacy group, earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms...

    Mmmmm interesting, I wonder how this works?
    Yeah, this makes a lot of sense, I'm sure that all the BG's will be running to the nearest location to register all of their weapons.

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    I am glad that I left California seven years ago. They need to address the illegal aliens and crime in that State rather than going after the law abiding citizens.

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    Illinois and California, two of the most gun restrictive states have huge crime problems but like most politically motivated cures, they are chasing the wrong tail. The problem isn't "guns" in the hands of violent criminals. It's "gangs" made up of violent criminals. If they didn't have guns, they would stab with knives, beat with baseball bats or 2x4's if bats were outlawed and in the absence of knives and wood would run helpless victims over with cars, motorcycles or bicycles. They should go after the gangs, not the guns. Get rid of the gangs and gun related problems will be greatly reduced. But going after guns is a whole lot easier. Guns don't have to go to trial, sit in jail or eat, so it's easier and cheaper to target them rather than go after the real problem. Stupid is as stupid does.

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    It's effing stupid. The guy is probably afraid that all the early release dangerous felons will immediately go buy a gun, use it to commit a crime and then no one can track the BG down afterwards.

    His apparent thought process: Microstamping will ID the weapon but if it's not registered the police won't know where to go look for it.

    Nevermind that microstamping doesn't exist. Nor should we feel safe knowing that this law will keep felons from buying guns legally when they will just buy one ILLEGALLY for $50 from their homie pals. And of course, felons never hide, give false addresses, or use false ID to keep from getting caught.

    Worst part? Arnold will probably sign the stupid law like he did the last one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    The criminalization of everything.

    Makes you wonder what politicians hate so much about citizens. Makes you wonder what this putz thinks he'll fix by forcing upstanding people to report the guns they have, while the firearms stashes of criminals will continue to be (a) unknown to the system and (b) unreported to the new bureaucrats. Makes you wonder when the confiscation of everyone's firearms by the state will commence.

    Being a politician with an open mouth should be a crime. Whaddayathink?
    I think they don't want citizens, they want subjects.

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