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    I'm still trying to find out if anybody in NO got their guns back from the first grabbing. I doubt it.

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    I'm confused when your in a public position and decide to go against a judges ruling isn't that contempt of Court?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Stick
    NOPD wasn't the only agency seizing weapons after Katrina. Neighboring Jefferson Parish disarmed citizens to. Sheriff Harry Lee took weapons from the vehicles of people who showed up to pick up ice, food and other aid at distribution points. This was reported in the Times Picayune newspaper out of New Orleans.
    Saint Tammany's Parish, too! I have a freakin' FAMILY MEMBER (well, a cousin) who is a reserve sheriff there and he's a proud NRA member...who grabbed guns right and left and tried to justify it to me! I asked him what he'd do if they came for HIS guns...and he quickly replied there'd be a gunfight over THAT!

    This guy also recounted something else of interest. Remember when N.O. was the wild west and REALLY bad (worse than normal)? Well, this sheriff deputy recalls seeing Navy SEALs go puttering into the area all camo'd up at dusk in muffled rubber boats (motorized) all loaded fer BEAR and they'd come out of the zone at dawn the same route looking like they'd had a successful "hunt." I wonder how many BG's got capped in the dark? I wonder if they felt like the VC must have felt to be hunted by the "men in green faces."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns
    N.O. was a big experiment in the confinscation of weapons that succeeded beyond anyones wildest dreams. No one got killed for doing what was illegal. The sheeple just gave them up.

    Yeah...they said it was illegal.

    Sure...they said you can get your guns back with a receipt, knowing that no one had any.

    Yeah...we are gonna do it again, and you wont do anything about it.

    Except like it.



    Perhaps when the right people start getting held to task for their participation in illegal matters that clearly go against the U.S. Constitution, then, and only then, will these things cease.

    Until then, dont count on it...
    The whole the whole area in and AROUND NEW ORLEANS is nothing more than one big chunk of the WELFARE STATE MENTALITY and what the government GIVETH the government can TAKETH AWAY. But I wonder if it would have been as bloodless if they'd gone deep into the Bayous and tried to grab the guns of some CAJUN? It really shows the victory of the public schools "surrender" curriculum.

    I ask myself what I would have done. My best buddy probably has the correct plan, have some junk guns lying around for a show grab and cache the good stuff offsite but available. I'd have to realize that this wasn't an Armmageddon situation and that order would eventually be restored and there's be lawsuits and NRA involvement. If they suspect and come back for a middle of the night "no knock home invasion" I'd make like the Alamo then....at some point the intrusions must be stopped.
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    Riley is very short sighted (as are all gun grabbers). He'll never be able to 'confiscate' weapons from bad guys, so just the law abiding folks will be unarmed. Another victory for criminals thanks to Riley.
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    That "confiscate order" only works when people let cops/NG into the house without a warrant. If they got a warrant, they cheerfully get the junk guns with blocked barrels and overloaded ammo (I know what cops do with confiscated guns). If they do a no-knock at midnight, even the best body armor won't stop too many 30-06 AP rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan
    If they do a no-knock at midnight, even the best body armor won't stop too many 30-06 AP rounds.
    Yah, I got a bunch of those "Black Tipped" rds for my Garand already loaded into clips ready to go. I prolly got about 500 or so of those types rds. Also the API....know what that one is? Armor Piercing INCINDIARY...lol
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    The truly sad part is that a gun confiscation by Chief Riley would probably be supported 100% by newly (and very tragically) relected Mayor Nagin.
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    Ex, You make comments like,"The whole state of Louisiana is nothing more than one big WELFARE STATE......." This, and you live in Florida ??? I would suggest that you take a look in your own "back yard" unless you happen to live in a different Florida than I do.

    Also, that's not a very nice thing to say about another persons home state. I have a couple of friends that live in La. and to my knowledge a retired Navy Master Chief and a retired WO4 can't qualify for welfare.

    I thought that this was supposed to be one of them sweet forums. ---------

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    Cool But...I AM sweet. My wife SAYS SO!

    Quote Originally Posted by RSSZ
    Ex, You make comments like,"The whole state of Louisiana is nothing more than one big WELFARE STATE......." This, and you live in Florida ??? I would suggest that you take a look in your own "back yard" unless you happen to live in a different Florida than I do.

    Also, that's not a very nice thing to say about another persons home state. I have a couple of friends that live in La. and to my knowledge a retired Navy Master Chief and a retired WO4 can't qualify for welfare.

    I thought that this was supposed to be one of them sweet forums. ---------
    I personally think you live on a different PLANET, which is why I have you on "ignore." But let's look at the situation (btw, I have FAMILY just outside N.O. that are LEO's and they happily GRABBED GUNS, I'm ashamed to say). I was looking for a neato document I had saved that contrasts the actions taken by the GREAT STATE OF LOUISIANA vs the State of Texas in relation to the storms. I'll keep looking for those. But for those who would lay the blame elsewhere than where it correctly lies...here is the chain of responsibility and some other storm related stuff.

    Subject: CHAIN OF RESPONSIBILITY
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    In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is:
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    1. The Mayor
    2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor)
    3. The Governor
    4. The Head of Homeland Security
    5. The President
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    What did each do?
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    1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal.
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    2. The New Orleans Director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees)
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    3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit.
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    4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them.
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    5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it.
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    Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
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    The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (Democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long.
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    Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos and their friends.
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    Decades of socialist government in New Orleans has sapped all self reliance from the community, and made them dependent upon government for every little thing.
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    Political correctness and a lack of will to fight crime have created the single most corrupt police force in the country, and have permitted gang violence to flourish.
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    The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them.
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    For those who missed item 5 (where the President's level of accountability is discussed), it is made more clear in a New Orleans Times-Picayune article dated August 28:
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    NEW ORLEANS (AP) - In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.
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    Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.
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    The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already canceled all flights.
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    Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.*
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    The ball was placed in Mayor Nagin's court to carry out the evacuation order. With 5-day heads-up, he had the authority to use any and all services to evacuate all residents from the city, as documented in a city emergency preparedness plan. By waiting until the last minute, and failing to make full use of resources available within city limits, Nagin and his administration messed up.
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    Mayor Nagin and his emergency sidekick Terry Ebbert have displayed lethal, mind boggling incompetence before, during and after Katrina.
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    On Friday night before the storm hit Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Nagin and Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of NO and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.

    President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act).* Just before midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call up.
    He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet.*

    After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.

    Saturday before the storm hit the President again called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency area, and begin mandatory evacuation. After a personal plea from the President Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. In frustration the President declared the area
    a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally begin some advanced preparations.* Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to use before the disaster.
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    Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to NO for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or coordinating into any planning - though the document implies that they were.
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    The suffering people of NO need to be asking some hard questions as do we all, but they better start with why Blanco refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Nagin keeps harping that the President*should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses - but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
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    This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future.
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    More on Katrina
    By Ben Stein
    Published 9/12/2005 1244 AM
    Fact: Katrina was a devastating storm. It left terrible damage to innocent people's lives and to property throughout the Gulf South.

    Fact: There have been other storms as damaging and some far more damaging. What, then, is different about this storm? Here are a few tentative thoughts.

    First, the incompetence of the local and state authorities in Louisiana and especially New Orleans was breathtaking. To issue a mandatory evacuation order without providing means of transport is almost criminally irresponsible. To take citizens to shelters where they would be beaten, robbed, and raped, and to provide no police protection for them was astoundingly incompetent. To allow armed gangs to shoot at rescuers was almost beyond belief.
    Second, the response of the federal government is described as slow, and it was slow at first. But can anyone name a natural disaster in which more federal troops, supplies, and money have been dispatched as quickly as they have been done in this disaster? Bush's response has not been unusually bad, but amazingly powerful and swift. In other hurricanes, survivors have been left for weeks on their own. In Katrina's case, the whole affected area has been covered with money and aid and troops to restore order on a scale and with speed never seen before.

    Third, the networks and newspapers have been quick to cry racism because so many of the victims were black. This is total nonsense. New Orleans is a mostly black city. Obviously, most of the victims of the storm would be black. No one has been able to point to a single instance in which black victims were mistreated because of their race by whites. In fact, just the opposite has happened. The whole story is of rescues and salvation by people of all races aimed at people of all races. In a gesture never seen before, the whole heart of the nation has taken in poor, bereft black families and sheltered them absolutely without regard to race. This is a mirror of the basic goodness of Americans and the disappearance of racism as an acceptable action basis of American life. It is also a measure of the total absence of racism in the heart of George W. Bush. The media may play this as a story of race versus race, but that is pure incendiary fantasy, and dangerous nonsense.

    What is the real story of Katrina is (I suggest) not so much that nature wrought fury on land, water, people, property, and animals, not at all anything about racism, not much about federal government incompetence. The real story is that the mainstream media rioted.

    They used the storm and its attendant sorrows to continue their endless attack on George W. Bush. Wildly inflated stories about the number of dead and missing, totally made up old wives' tales of racism, breathless accounts of Bush's neglect that are utterly devoid of truth and of historical context -- this is what the mainstream media gave us. The use of floating corpses, of horror stories of plagues, the sad faces of refugees, the long-faced phony accusations of intentional neglect and racism -- anything is grist for the media's endless attempts to undermine the electorate's choice last November. It is sad, but true that the media will use even the most heart breaking truths -- and then add total inventions -- to try to weaken and then evict from office a man who has done nothing wrong, but has instead turned himself inside out to help the real victims.

    In the meantime, George Bush does not lash out, does not attack those who falsely accuse him of the most horrible acts and neglect. Instead, he doggedly goes on helping the least among us. I don't know how he does it, but we are very lucky he does. As for truth, it eventually may be salvaged from the flooded neighborhoods of The Crescent City, but not as long as there is a lie to use to hurt an honest man trying to do the best he can, and hundreds of thousands of brave, tireless men and women who do more than point fingers and tell tales. The Katrina story is a disgrace to the people who are "reporting" it while pouring gasoline on a fire. They and their crusade against George Bush are the real stories, and they are dismal ones.


    Ben Stein is a writer, actor, economist, and lawyer living in Beverly Hills and Malibu. He also writes "Ben Stein's Diary" in every issue of The American Spectator.
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    Nope,I'm from this planet. And I live in Florida.

    Just wanted to say that out of all the people on this forum,I do not have anyone in "ignore". I am interested in what each and every one of them has to say. By listening you learn. I am always in the learning mode. .............Thanks for posting the above about LA.and N.O. I learned from it. ----------

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier
    The whole state of Louisiana is nothing more than one big WELFARE STATE and what the government GIVETH the government can TAKETH AWAY.
    While I agree with just about all you posted in Post #25, I think the above quote is an overgeneralization and a pretty hefty slap on all of the good people in Louisiana. I spent most of my life in Texas (born and raised) but I lived in Louisiana for a couple of years. I agree there are some well documented problems in the state, as in every state, there are some pretty darned good people there as well. They are not on the welfare rolls and pay too much in taxes on their income as much as anyone else.

    Change your quote to New Orleans as being heavily dependent on welfare instead of the state being a "welfare state" and I would agree with you, but don't slap the rest of the hard working people of Louisiana....
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    Exclamation Keeping the Peace....

    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier
    The whole the whole area in and AROUND NEW ORLEANS is nothing more than one big chunk of the WELFARE STATE MENTALITY and what the government GIVETH the government can TAKETH AWAY. But I wonder if it would have been as bloodless if they'd gone deep into the Bayous and tried to grab the guns of some CAJUN? It really shows the victory of the public schools "surrender" curriculum.
    Okay CEASE FIRE! I changed my post in deference to the good people of Looose-iana...all both of them...NO NO NO just kidding!
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    Police are not legally obligated to protect an individual citizen. Check out Warren v. District of Columbia. You can't depend on the police to protect you under normal circumstances (they do the best they can with what they have), so what makes people think the police will be any more effective with even less to work with? "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the free state, the right of the poeple to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
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    In ref to the police,LEO's,NG,or any other group of individuals confiscating weapons,there has been allot of talk going around the ranges,clubs,etc. about what we would do should this be attempted. None of us want to engauge in a gunfight with our neighbors. We do not want to see that again after the civil war. But......we will not give up our weapons.

    Some of the people that I talk to have stashed or have plans to stash them in a predetermined place. I will do just that.

    Our Ivan wasn't near as bad as their Katrina,but it could have been and I feel that in the future we,on the Gulf coast, will have the same problem with Governors,Mayors,NG troops,LEO's,etc. "just doing their job". Thru lessons learned in N.O.,we will be much more prepared to deal with weapon confiscation issues. ---------

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