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    Exclamation Welcome to Shreveport, Louisiana: Your rights are now suspended.

    ExSoldier's Note: This story is a few months old, but since we're approaching the times for summer vacation, I figured it might be a good time to post this as a review. As always, emphasis like bold face, underlines and italics are mine alone.

    A few months ago, the National Association for Gun Rights first broke this incredible tale out of Shreveport, Louisiana.

    At the time, no other gun rights organization had touched the story. But when we tracked down the victim for an interview, we couldn't believe what we heard, and we immediately sent out a nationwide alert.

    The story went viral overnight.

    If this tale of government abuse moves you, send it to a friend or family member to get the word out.

    According to Cedric Glover, mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, his cops "have a power that [. . .] the President of these Unites States does not have": His cops can take away your rights.

    And would you like to guess which rights he has in mind?

    Just ask Shreveport resident Robert Baillio, who got pulled over for having two pro-gun bumper stickers on the back of his truck -- and had his gun confiscated.

    While the officer who pulled him over says Baillio failed to use his turn signal, the only questions he had for Baillio concerned guns: Whether he had a gun, where the gun was, and if he was a member of a pro-gun organization.

    No requests for a driver's licence, proof of insurance, or vehicle registration -- and no discussion of a turn signal.

    Accordingly, Baillio told the officer the truth, which led the police officer to search his car without permission and confiscate his gun.

    However, not only does Louisiana law allow residents to drive with loaded weapons in their vehicles, but Mr. Baillio possessed a concealed carry license!

    What does such behavior demonstrate, other than transparent political profiling -- going so far as to use the infamous Department of Homeland Security report on "Americans of a rightwing persuasion" as a how-to guidebook, no less?

    Mr. Baillio made no secret of his political affiliations: An American flag centers a wide flourish of pro-freedom stickers and decals on his back windshield.

    In fact, when Baillio asked the officer if everyone he pulls over gets the same treatment, the officer said no and pointed to the back of his truck.

    Baillio phoned Mayor Glover to complain about this "suspension of rights" only to find that his city's morbidly obese "commander in chief" was elated at the story: According to Glover, Baillio got "served well, protected well, and even got a consideration that maybe [he] should not have gotten."

    Thankfully, Mr. Baillio recorded a good bit of that phone call. It might be available on YOU TUBE. I've reproduced a chunk of the call below:

    Baillio: (in the context of being asked about the presence of a gun) Well, I answered that question honestly, and he disarmed me.

    Glover: Which would be an appropriate and proper action, sir. The fact that you gave the correct answer -- it simply means that you did what it is you were supposed to have done, and that is to give that weapon to the police officer so he could appropriately place it in a place where it would not be a threat to you, to him, or to anyone in the general public.

    [. . .]

    Glover: My direction to you is that, had you chosen not to properly identify the fact that you had a weapon and directed that officer to where that weapon was located; had you been taken from the vehicle, and the officer, in the interest of his safety, chose to secure you in a safe position, and then looked, found, and determined that you did, in fact, have a weapon...then, sir, you would have faced additional, [inaudible], and more severe criminal sanctions.

    Baillio: So what you're saying is: I give up all my rights to keep and bear arms if I'm stopped by the police: Is that correct?

    Glover: Sir, you have no right, when you have been pulled over by a police officer for a potential criminal offense [which would be what?! - DB] to stand there with your weapon at your side in your hand [Baillio's weapon was nowhere near his side or his hand, and Glover knew that. - DB] because of your second amendment rights, sir. That does not mean at that point your second amendment right has been taken away; it means at that particular point in time, it has been suspended.


    Will Grigg from ProLibertate, an excellent freedom blog, has this to say:

    According to Glover, a police officer may properly disarm any civilian at any time, and the civilian's duty is to surrender his gun -- willingly, readily, cheerfully, without cavil or question.

    From Glover's perspective, it is only when firearms are in the hands of people other than the state's uniformed enforcers/oppressors that they constitute a threat, not only to the public and those in charge of exercising official violence but also to the private gun owner himself.


    NAGR spoke with Mr. Baillio, and he told us that he's in the process of securing the official procedures and codes for firearm handling and private property confiscation for the Shreveport police department.

    So far, the city has been half-heartedly cooperating with him.

    "I felt sick," Baillio told NAGR. "My uncles didn't die for this country so I could surrender my rights like a wimp. I felt terrible. I was just thinking of all that my family has done for freedom in this nation -- including dying -- and here they are disarming me at a traffic stop."
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    I remember reading this, that was last summer, I think.

    I haven't heard much about it since, I figure Glover will choose his words more carefully in the future. Not defending him whatsoever I'd say he's just not well-versed on 2A stuff plus could care less about any of our 2A rights. I'm pretty sure he's in the anti-gun crowd, though he probably has a gun to protect himself !

    I live in the area (roughly speaking) and I think Bossier (across the river) is increasing population at a rate noticeably faster than Shreveport.

    Citing good news here though, a nearby State Representative is pushing for concealed weapon church carry, that I believe will pass. I have a thread running about Louisiana gun related bills in the 2A section. The school zone buffer exempting permit holders passed the State Senate 34-0; and the House 96-1. BTW the one NAY came from a lady rep from a Shreveport District. It is not confirmed law yet, it has some more processes to go.
    Turn the election's in 2014 to a "2A Revolution". It will serve as a 1994 refresher not to "infringe" on our Second Amendment. We know who they are now.........SEND 'EM HOME. Our success in this will be proportional to how hard we work to make it happen.

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    Wink Something needs to be done...

    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
    I live in the area (roughly speaking) and I think Bossier (across the river) is increasing population at a rate noticeably faster than Shreveport.
    Has anybody undertaken the proper counseling of those police officers in the community or region where this occurred as to the proper place of the Second Amendment in the great scheme of life? That lawfully armed citizens are often a cop's best friend and not something to be feared or mistrusted? Call it an exercise in police/community relations. That was one of my senior level courses when I got my degree in Criminal Justice. Back then, this wasn't an issue, especially not at the University of Alabama! But times change, I guess.
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    Yeah.. we should probably that cesspool of a state back to the french.

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    Wow that is truly disgusting. That mayor needs to lose his job immediately, along with the LEO involved from what I've read here.

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    It must be an effective policy.

    After all, Louisiana ranks very high on the list of safe places to live.



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    Quote Originally Posted by n3ss View Post
    Yeah.. we should probably that cesspool of a state back to the french.
    And your list of reasons would be?
    Turn the election's in 2014 to a "2A Revolution". It will serve as a 1994 refresher not to "infringe" on our Second Amendment. We know who they are now.........SEND 'EM HOME. Our success in this will be proportional to how hard we work to make it happen.

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    Wait a second, if your all going to bring back up this thing, I think it's only fair you bring back up the whole link first and show it in it's full context. There was more to this then just what is printed here if I'm not mistaken and more to that stop if I'm not mistaken if I'm thinking of the same thread.

    It would be nice to see the full thing again though as a refresher before any rash decisions or crap are thrown around. I've been to LA several times and have not had any troubles. Each state has it's problem areas and as long as you do what your suppose to do, you'll probably never run a foul of any trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    Wait a second, if your all going to bring back up this thing, I think it's only fair you bring back up the whole link first and show it in it's full context.

    It would be nice to see the full thing again though as a refresher before any rash decisions or crap are thrown around. I've been to LA several times and have not had any troubles.
    Original discussion on DC: click.

    Write-up from early June 2009, nearly a month before the DC discussion: click.


    Transcript of the discussion between Cedric Glover and Robert Baillio (19mins): click.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
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    Although it mainly concerns searches incident to arrest Arizona v Gant has some interesting points on this type of search.

    "It is particularly significant that Belton searches authorize police officers to search not just the passenger compartment but every purse, briefcase, or other container within that space. A rule that gives police the power to conduct such a search whenever an individual is caught committing a traffic offense, when there is no basis for believing evidence of the offense might be found in the vehicle, creates a serious and recurring threat to the privacy of countless individuals. Indeed, the character of that threat implicates the central concern underlying the Fourth Amendment —the concern about giving police officers unbridled discretion to rummage at will among a person’s private effects."

    "Police may search a vehicle incident to a recent occupant’s arrest only if the arrestee is within reaching distance of the passenger compartment at the time of the search or it is reasonable to believe the vehicle contains evidence of the offense of arrest. When these justifications are absent, a search of an arrestee’s vehicle will be unreasonable unless police obtain a warrant or show that another exception to the warrant requirement applies. The Arizona Supreme Court correctly held that this case involved an unreasonable search. Accordingly, the judgment of the State Supreme Court is affirmed.

    It is so ordered."

    ARIZONA v. GANT

    I don't advocate leaving the car when being stopped, but if he had locked the door the LEO would have had no way to justify searching the vehicle. IMO and IANAL. Generally speaking inaccessible means off limits to search. All parties would be safe from a firearm in a locked vehicle. The only time I have been disarmed was during a traffic stop while the NCHP investigated the accident. He locked the firearm in MY vehicle during the stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Original discussion on DC: click.

    Write-up from early June 2009, nearly a month before the DC discussion: click.


    Transcript of the discussion between Cedric Glover and Robert Baillio (19mins): click.

    Thank you ccw9mm, I do appreciate that.

    It seems this discussion ran it's course once just to rear it's ugly head again. No problem, that discussion said the Mayor misspoke, the gentleman got his weapon back, don't know about anyone else, but that's a pretty good ending in my view. If that's the worst thing to happen to me in my life, I'm good to go.
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    After reading both threads, I have come to the conclusion that anything that comes from NAGR, is sensationalized to the extreme in order to get $$ and that is their only reason for being.

    I refuse to read anything they put out.
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    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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