This is a discussion on Poll re: Full Auto within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by razor02097 owning one entitles the ATF by law to anal probe you any time they want... To those that can afford one ...
Readily available, with no restrictions
Readily available, with lighter restrictions than now exist
Keep the current system
Decrease availability and increase restrictions
There is no license to own one. If you can buy a handgun, you can own an NFA weapon provide your state law allows it.
I have only 3+ years dealing with the ATF including the TTB and NFA branches, but the ATF truly does not care what you own as long as you have the paperwork to make it legal. Every single agent I've spoken with doesn't understand why NFA weapons are so highly restricted. The ATF is also 80% accountants and 20% field agents. The ones that come and inspect an FFL are not allowed, nor trained to carry a firearm. Only the field agents have arrest powers, not all agents.Or perhaps their owners are responsible and lock up their weapons. I have several guns worth about $50 each that are locked up. Why? Because I'm a responsible gun owner.Right now there are few crimes done with these weapons because they are rarely available to the general public, and so very expensive that folks make sure they stay locked up in safes.$200 is not a high tax. They are not available only to the wealthy. In fact, most NFA owners make less than $50,000 per year from the collector polls in various clubs.I do think there is something wrong with the way we limit availability through a very high tax, making them available to the wealthy only, when perhaps other criteria should be used and the tax done away with.Well, guess what. FA already is in the general circulation.If we let FA get into the general circulation of the existing illegal gun traffic we will have the dickens to pay for our own stupidity.
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Probably the only home based FFL that doesn't do transfers.
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Yes, many firearms can be converted, assuming the possessor has the mechanical inclination and equipment to do so. But most BGs by nature are pretty lazy and wouldn't go to that much effort when thay can pick one up from the local homeowner (if ownership was easy). I seriously doubt that many BGs sit around trying to convert firearms. Yes, there are a few out there, but should we make it easier for them to obtain them?
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I believe the NFA and 1986 firearms acts violate the constitution. Machine guns are linear descendants of "arms" and as such are protected from Federal regulation by 2A.
There is very little difference between full auto and a semi auto... 30 rounds in 2 seconds vrs. 30 rounds in 10 seconds is not going to suddenly make criminals ultra-deadly killing machines.
Suppressors should be legal too. All they do is help prevent hearing loss (and get dirty). I almost think they should be mandatory!
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Allow them, just make using one in the commission of a crime come with exponentially tougher sentencing. And I'd even be ok with a 24-48hour waiting period, so long as it was so your background check could be rerun and verified current. (As I know some states a CCW will allow that bypass for "regular" firearms) No restrictions would be nice, but taking fewer restrictions is a step closer.
.22LR on full auto wouldn't necessarily break the bank, and could be great fun. Being able to send a 3 round burst of .223 down your hallway when a bad guy is charging you with a knife or firearm, could just be what it takes the guy following him to want to turn around and flee instead (drug runners coming across the boarder is becoming an increasing issue in the SW US and it's safe to say they are typically well armed when moving large amounts, the more a citizen can defend themselves with the better). Suppressors would be easier on people's ears and not make ranges or backyard plinking less noticeable to the neighborhood (Girlfriend's parents live about 3/4 a mile from the local PD outdoor range and you can most certainly hear when it's time to qualify). And suppressors would still be rather impractical for concealment or everyday carry.
If bad guys really want them they'll get them, the LA Bank of America robbery and shooting is evidence of that, not to mention the full auto AK47s that DEA is saying on their Spike TV show they're finding to be the common drug dealer house gun in Detroit.
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If you can own a firearm, you should be able to own a full-auto firearm. No restrictions.
And add supressors, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns and AOW's in there, as well.
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All NFA items must be registered with the ATF. Individuals wanting an NFA item must get permission from the ATF, obtain a signature from the county sheriff or city or town chief of police, pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and finger prints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a huge tax.
You have to get a lot of permissions and complete a bunch of paperwork to get one right now...plus
Anytime the ATF feel like they can "check in" to make sure you still have it and that it is locked up.
There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I'm not sure I'm pro-full auto pistols. I'm definately pro-full auto rifles with registration. I would be anti-full auto carry, and as a hunter, anti the use of full auto for hunting.
I've got a couple full auto water pistols. They are awesome and loads of fun.
Now give me one that shoots bullets and there will really be lots of fun.
Okay, in all seriousness, I'm pretty much in favor of no restrictions. The founding fathers pretty much wrote the second amendment for the express purpose of suppressing a tyrannical government. They pretty much believed the average citizen should be able to possess and bear the same type of weapons as the government possessed.
Do I have a current use for a machine gun? Not at this point. I've shot them, both in the military and in civilian life. Like others have noted, the novelty wears off rather quickly.
No need for government restrictions, IF the punishment adequately fits the crime. In other words, criminals who use full auto weapons to shoot up the neighborhood, terrorize the citizens and indiscriminately kill innocent people caught in the cross fire of their gang wars needs to be found guilty of mayhem, and be executed, forthwith. Btw... that should be done if they are using semi-auto weapons as well. If someone steals a legally owned full auto weapon from a law abiding citizen, and are arrested with it, they should be in prison for 25 - 30 years.
Just because there is a "potential" for inappropriate use, does not mean something should be restricted from responsible law abiding citizens. What you do is punish harshly those who abuse the laws of society.
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Readily available, with no restrictions.
I agree completely. I also think one should be able to build their own "with no restrictions" just the same.......or to modify their existing semi-auto with the proper parts to make it as one desires. Again...the second amendment is rather plain and simple. I'd also like to have a 14" Remington 870 without restrictions and as available as everything else.
Also the $200 tax isn't huge, it's a nuisance.See, that is where you are incorrect again and continue to spread mythical BS. No the ATF cannot inspect you at any time. That is completely false. I suggest you read the NFA Branch's NFA Handbook available on the ATF website and get your facts straight. Please educate yourself.Anytime the ATF feel like they can "check in" to make sure you still have it and that it is locked up.
07/02 FFL/SOT since 2006
Probably the only home based FFL that doesn't do transfers.
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Is this hard to understand? Then why does it get unintelligible to some people when 5 little words are changed?