Are National Parks posting outdoor areas where you visit?

Are National Parks posting outdoor areas where you visit?

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    Exclamation Are National Parks posting outdoor areas where you visit?

    Anyone else seen National Parks posting outdoor areas?

    If you see it in Virginia, please post the details here and/or PM me.

    IMHO, we need to tackle this issue head-on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slider View Post
    Even the National Parks are posting outdoor areas in some parks. Places where Park Rangers meet in the great outdoors to give tours have been posted. They can post anything they wish. Not saying that is legal but they can post it and they can charge you and give you your day in court.
    Please, let's get on top of this.
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    I just spent 8 days on the Buffalo National River in N Arkansas, a NPS park, and saw no signs including on ranger stations and visitor centers. I talked with a young new hire ranger more than once and I mentioned the change in policy. He said that there was no problem with carry on the river or in NPS campgrounds and they had not increased officer awareness. Since we were traveling and canoeing with a coed college group, having a firearm increased our comfort levels considerably. His only complaint was having to work traffic accidents almost every day from dumb drivers on dirt mountain roads.

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    Yeah I was confused for a sec. Didn't the law that passed make NP carry legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernset View Post
    Yeah I was confused for a sec. Didn't the law that passed make NP carry legal?
    Sure did.

    Now, the question is, "How well is it being followed by individual units of the NPS?

    We need to ID failures to follow and take action in each case, IMHO.
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    Heading to Canyonlands NP tomorrow...I'll let you know if I see any. I hope not.

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    I called the park rangers here in Ohio last month and they said that there was no problems with carrying in the parks here as long as your legal. They did say however that the ranger stations are off limits, I'm assuming because it is a government building. They do need to let all the people that work with them know this tho because the first women I talked to said that carrying wasnt aloud then she transfered me to a ranger and he cleared it up for me. They did tell me tho that I would need to inform there rangers tho if I did have contact with them. I feel that being able to carry in the parks is imporntant because I am there several times a year for my neices and nephews birthday parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caubry89 View Post
    ... They did tell me tho that I would need to inform there rangers tho if I did have contact with them. .
    caubry89, regarding the ranger that answered your questions: was he located in a state that requires notification?? Utah does not require us to inform officers that we are carrying. The way I understood the National Parks changes on firearms is that the park will adhere to the laws of the state in which it is located. Federal buildings excluded, of course. I'm curious to know if notification is required in states that typically do not require disclosure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman23 View Post
    The way I understood the National Parks changes on firearms is that the park will adhere to the laws of the state in which it is located. Federal buildings excluded, of course. I'm curious to know if notification is required in states that typically do not require disclosure?
    Ohio is a "Must Inform" State as best I recall.

    If so, caubry's was a good LEO encounter, compared to some I have heard about in the NPS.

    Some are in the mode of, "It up to you to know the law. We don't have time to post or explain all the State's details."
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    I went to Canyonlands (Island in the Sky District only) and Arches National Parks this weekend. I did not see a single sign related to firearms the entire time. We visited quite a few scenic viewpoints that had signs related to Ranger Talks at certain times, but saw no signs in those areas. I also did not see any signs in the picnic areas that we stopped at either. We spent most of the time on backcountry 4wd trails. My wife did go into the visitors centers for a pit stop, but did not mention any signs, likely was not looking as she left her SP101 with me in the FJ....although I'm sure the visitors centers were likely posted. So, those 2 parks seem to be CCW friendly, at least in the outdoor areas. BTW...it was a free weekend at National Parks....no entry fee which was nice.

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    I just came back from a week in the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone NP and didn't see any signs posted in any outdoor areas.

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    I live near the Great Smoky Mountains National Park they removed the
    no firearms signs from all the trailheads. The only places posted are the
    visitor centers, the bathrooms adjacent to the visitor centers are not posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernset View Post
    Yeah I was confused for a sec. Didn't the law that passed make NP carry legal?
    Well, sort of.

    NP carry is now governed by the CCW laws of the state the park is in, but...

    Even within a state where you can lawfully carry, you cannot carry into a building where federal employees work (visitor center, ranger station, national monument) provided that the building is posted.

    On a recent visit to Ft. Matanzas national monument, I noted "no guns" signs on the doors of the gift shop, visitor's center, bathrooms and the boat dock for the ferry over to the fort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbsmith54 View Post
    I live near the Great Smoky Mountains National Park they removed the
    no firearms signs from all the trailheads. The only places posted are the
    visitor centers, the bathrooms adjacent to the visitor centers are not posted.
    Great.

    That's the way it is suppose to be, under the new law!
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