DOJ Says ATF Unprepared for WMD Response
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June 5th, 2010 10:35 PM
For those of you that would like more information on the picture as presented - here is a link to a story that shows the agent in question during an ATF raid on a Louisiana Gun shop in '07.
The picture speaks volumes about the endemic problems with the ATF.
Three arrested in raid on Jefferson gun store | NOLA.com
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June 5th, 2010 10:35 PM
June 5th, 2010 10:39 PM
For natural disasters, I guess they (ATF) can muddle through the steps of getting to the site and working with other LEO agencies in doing whatever they think they should be doing.
As for the release of WMD's, forget about it. At least half of the federal workforce will not be able to go to the site because they will lack proper training and protective gear. Some will just flat-out refuse to go, too. Any release of WMD's and state and locals will be on their own for days or weeks...
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June 5th, 2010 11:09 PM
There's no way ANYONE in our Govt is ready for this. You can write up all the plans you want, conduct all the studies you want, drill or whatever...a no kidding briefcase nuke in a major metro area will demonstrate how jacked up we are. As usual, it will be up to the individual citizenry on the ground to take care of each other until they can vacate the area and try to survive for the 3+weeks it will take for our Govt to catch up. Katrina should've demonstrated that.
As far as the pic of the ATF agent goes...I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. Doing otherwise plays into the hands of those who think most of us are close-minded racists.
June 6th, 2010 02:15 AM
Wow. I didin't realize Marge Simpson worked for the ATF...
June 6th, 2010 02:30 AM
The comments ater the second article called her head cover "bubble wrap". I spit a little Sprite out of my nose.
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June 6th, 2010 10:28 AM
re:Bandolero --access to crime scene
Uh, I am presuming the WMD is a nuclear device. Radiation will take care of access issues--- ultra high temps will have vaporized all evidence. There won't be a crime scene left.
Originally Posted by Bandolero
That is why the whole idea of "we need a plan" is ridiculous. The plan will be rapid massive retaliation to whatever target the national government thinks had any role. And it will be assistance to those still alive and fleeing. Now, if by WMD you are talking about something that shouldn't be called a WMD, e.g., a live grenade, then yes, ATF has a role and a purpose. Funny how we have come to twist our language. For most of my adult life WMD meant only one thing, a nuclear device.
Detectives aren't going to be searching the ground or the ruins in the aftermath for security tapes.
June 6th, 2010 11:40 AM
My mistake on this, there are other weapons that are considered WMDs that are non-nuclear right now, Anthrax and others that would require investigative teams that could enter the areas affected to search of clues or evidence.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
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June 6th, 2010 12:59 PM
Anthrax = weapon of mass hysteria, not mass destruction. I know that I am quibbling with words, but I get irritated (not with you Guardian) but with the general misuse of words with horrific initial meaning in trivial ways.
Originally Posted by Guardian
Decimated is often misused
Holocaust is misused
Rape is misused
WMD is misused
Terroristic threats is also greatly misused. Nowadays the adjective gets thrown around loosely to make an ordinary Stop and Rob beer thief look like a terrorist.
Examples of only a small subset. Each has had a very specific limited meaning but been transformed through careless usage---particularly by
TV broadcasters and editorial writers, into something other than the original meaning.
Anyway, in my mind, WMD means a nuclear weapon; possibly poison gas if it is capable of being widely dispersed. Everything else may be a powerful weapon, an insidious weapon, a biological weapon, whatever, but it won't fall in the same category as something that reproduces (in a sense) the big bang here on earth.
So, back on topic, I can see ATF involved in episodes which involve things like small bombs (being misnamed as WMDs), but for the real deal---no one will be pushing toward the radiation.
Last edited by Hopyard; June 6th, 2010 at 09:07 PM.
June 6th, 2010 08:14 PM
I can see the ATF dealing with IEDs, but not with any weapon of mass proportions.
What constitutes mass destruction? In Hopyard's nuclear scenario, the ATF is way out of their league.
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