All things H.R 5175 MERGEDX4

All things H.R 5175 MERGEDX4

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    All things H.R 5175 MERGEDX4

    Democrats close to campaign finance deal

    Tags:Republicans,Supreme Court,DCCC,Chris Van Hollen,Chamber Of Commerce,National Rifle Association,House Democrats,Campaign Finance,Heath Shuler,Citizens United ListenPrintCommentEmail Subscribe.By JOHN BRESNAHAN | 6/14/10 1:23 PM EDT
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    House Democrats have reached an agreement with the National Rifle Association on campaign finance legislation that would roll back the Citizens United decision. AP

    44House Democrats have offered to exempt the National Rifle Association from a sweeping campaign-finance bill, removing a major obstacle in the push to roll back the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling.


    The NRA had objected to some of the strict financial disclosure provisions that Democrats have proposed for corporations and politically active nonprofits and that had kept moderate, pro-gun Democrats from backing the legislation.


    But if the NRA signs off on the deal, the bill could come to the House floor as early as this week. The NRA said it would not comment until specific legislative language is revealed.


    An NRA official also noted that the group would not be supporting the bill but would not actively oppose it if the deal with the Democratic leadership holds up.


    The legislation in question is designed to restore more campaign finance rules in the wake of last year’s Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision, which removed prohibitions on corporations and unions running TV ads opposing or backing candidates in the run-up to an election.


    Democratic leaders fear the Citizens United decision could open the floodgates for corporate money to flow into this year’s midterm elections, which they believe would favor Republican interests.


    The legislation, offered by Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, would require special-interest groups to disclose their top donors if they choose to run TV ads or send out mass mailings in the final months of an election.


    Democrats are justifying the NRA exemption, saying the organization has a long history of being involved in the political process, and they say the real goal of the new campaign finance bill is to expose corporations and unions that create ambiguous front groups to run attack ads during campaigns. Unions would not be allowed to use the NRA exemption.


    North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler, an NRA backer and conservative Democrat, proved to be pivotal to the NRA deal. Shuler was the first to offer an amendment to exempt the NRA and other nonprofits from the legislation, but that move drew objections from campaign watchdog groups.


    “There were a number of concerns that the DISCLOSE Act could hinder or penalize the efforts of certain long-standing, member-driven organizations who have historically acted in good faith,” Shuler said, referring to the NRA. “Most of those concerns are addressed within the manager’s amendment.”

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    Until the NRA stops this compromise with the other side on free speech, they are not getting any more contributions from me and I am not renewing my membership. I will continue to contribute and keep my membership with the GOA (Gun Owners Association).

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    I have also left an angry message at the answering machine of Wayne Lapierre's office. To hell with the NRA! All the way with GOA!

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    I read a defense of the NRA deal at [url=http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2010/06/14/single-issue/]saying that the NRA is a single-issue organization and this 1A stuff is a distraction. Here's what it says on the NRA web site talking about membership:
    The NRA is you -- its members ... millions of Americans representing a diverse contrast of age, sex, race and religion. You're patriots one and all. You believe in the Constitution, staunch in the defense of your rights, and you actively pursue some of this country's finest traditions - Hunting and Sports Shooting. Since its incorporation in 1871, the NRA has grown as a service organization involved in all aspects of the shooting sports and a proud defender of the Bill of Rights.
    Source: Benefits of Membership
    Given the statement in bold and the fact that they were trumpeting the Citizens United decision on the cover of America's 1st Freedom recently, it looks pretty bad for them to take the easy way out on this legislation. I'm not happy about it, but I'd like to hear an official explanation/confirmation before I burn anyone at the stake, though.

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    Looks like another NRA "throw others under the bus" self-serving deal w/o regards values. Not unlike the OC issue and the meeting locations issue.

    It could be intended to line the NRA coffers at the expense of all the grassroots and other RKBA groups, also.

    And BTW I am a life member of the NRA.
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    Equal protection anyone? This stinks and perfectly illustrates back door deals. I thought they had more morals. They are perfectly willing to throw out the principle. I'm so glad they aren't getting any more money from me.
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    Statement From The National Rifle on H.R. 5175 Sellout

    The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

    In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

    The NRA's opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA's right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

    The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

    The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

    Thus, the NRA's first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America's lawful gun owners.

    On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

    The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

    The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.
    My response to this just sent to NRA-ILA:

    GUTLESS, SELF-SERVING! I cannot believe that you are turning into the beltway weenies that we have to vote out.

    So if everyone but NRA members are prohibited from owning firearms, you will support this?

    Your logic is disgustingly illogical..

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    If they believe what they state, there is no reason to stay out of the fight. This is why you get the NRA not standing in the way of open carry restrictions and other legislation- they don't think infringing on rights is a problem unless it affects them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Z Squad View Post
    My response to this just sent to NRA-ILA:

    GUTLESS, SELF-SERVING! I cannot believe that you are turning into the beltway weenies that we have to vote out.

    So if everyone but NRA members are prohibited from owning firearms, you will support this?

    Your logic is disgustingly illogical..

    "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." Thomas Paine - 1776

    You have prostituted yourselves to the socialist elites. OPPOSE THIS LEGISLATION, NO COMPROMISE! Grow some balls!
    And THAT is why I am not a member of the NRA nor never will be. Just like any other special interest group they don't want you to know what candidate they BUY. Personally I'm all for knowing what organizations are sponsoring what candidates.
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    So, in simple layman's terms... What th' frak is this all about? What's the gist of this H.R.? The length and wording of the article has me confused....
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    The true colors of the NRA are finally becoming apparent. They want to pick and choose, but that don't cut it for the rest of us. If you hang out inside the beltway long enough, it's bound to happen.

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    This is exactly the kind of stuff why I canceled my membership years ago and still receive flack for it today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffworks View Post
    So, in simple layman's terms... What th' frak is this all about? What's the gist of this H.R.? The length and wording of the article has me confused....
    Basically it's campaign finance reform. It's more or less says that politicians have to disclose who's making big donations to their campaign funds. Lobbyists and special interest groups don't like this because it means the American people will know which candidates are bought/owned by which special interest groups.
    -It is a seriously scary thought that there are subsets of American society that think being intellectual is a BAD thing...

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    WOW! I am definitely calling them and I am not a member. I do however have a lot of friends who are.

    Shady shady shady!
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    Here you go in all it's glorious death to our rights.
    STATEMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION ON H.R. 5175, THE DISCLOSE ACT

    The National Rifle Association believes that any restrictions on the political speech of Americans are unconstitutional.

    In the past, through the courts and in Congress, the NRA has opposed any effort to restrict the rights of its four million members to speak and have their voices heard on behalf of gun owners nationwide.

    The NRA’s opposition to restrictions on political speech includes its May 26, 2010 letter to Members of Congress expressing strong concerns about H.R. 5175, the DISCLOSE Act. As it stood at the time of that letter, the measure would have undermined or obliterated virtually all of the NRA’s right to free political speech and, therefore, jeopardized the Second Amendment rights of every law-abiding American.

    The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.

    The NRA must preserve its ability to speak. It cannot risk a strategy that would deny its rights, for the Second Amendment cannot be defended without them.

    Thus, the NRA’s first obligation must be to its members and to its most ardent defense of firearms freedom for America’s lawful gun owners.

    On June 14, 2010, Democratic leadership in the U.S. House of Representatives pledged that H.R. 5175 would be amended to exempt groups like the NRA, that meet certain criteria, from its onerous restrictions on political speech. As a result, and as long as that remains the case, the NRA will not be involved in final consideration of the House bill.

    The NRA cannot defend the Second Amendment from the attacks we face in the local, state, federal, international and judicial arenas without the ability to speak. We will not allow ourselves to be silenced while the national news media, politicians and others are allowed to attack us freely.

    The NRA will continue to fight for its right to speak out in defense of the Second Amendment. Any efforts to silence the political speech of NRA members will, as has been the case in the past, be met with strong opposition.
    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”

    Patrick Henry
    Quote Originally Posted by UnklFungus
    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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