SAF Isn't wasting any time-NC "Emergency Powers" Gun Ban

[Gun Bunny]

Exactly how did the City of NO go about taking possession of the guns? Did they ask if folks owned them and had them at t he residence? How did they choose what houses to go to, if indeed they went house-to-house?

I ask because I just can't imagine giving up my gun. Not so much from a "fight the police" standpoint, but from worry about when, and HOW, I'm going to get it back. Heck, Govts lose money all the time. Why would I think they will store my firearm properly and get it back to me?

Watch the videos from N.O. (especially the one with the old lady that they tacked), what are you going to do, a small group of LEOs with carbines knock on your door, if you answer you will have them aimed at your head, if you don't, they just kick in your door and aim their guns at you, cuff you, search your house with no warrant, take anything they want and make you leave! Simple as that!

No receipts were given and if you asked for one, they would just threaten you with an arrest! As far as getting them back, you have to show proof of ownership, and all the guns were stored in conex boxes, just thrown in, rusting. And if any LEO liked your gun, you will never get it back (yes, steal)!

Don't believe me? IT HAPPENED!!!

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[tflhndn]

Back to the law suit... The North Carolina law barring carry of a firearm deruing a declared state of emergency stems from the 1960's race riots and demonstrations. It was intended to keep radical/militant groups, such as the black panthers, from demonstrating.

just another Jim Crow style gun law.

[Ricebrnr]

Don't think for a second that SAF doesn't have a list of suits ready to go as each domino topples.

As for NYC, not sure that they are going to be near the top of the list as they don't have an outright ban. Although then again, they may be able to go after those stinking premises permits right away.

Still I think considering Bloomberg's personal wealth and his penchant for spending like Daley, SAF will have to set some precedents elsewhere first.

[DaveH]

Speaking of SAF & moving forward, anyone heard anything lately about the Tom G. Palmer, George Lyon, Edward Raymond, Amy
McVey v DC case?

See:

http://www.saf.org/legal.action/dc.c...t/SJ_brief.pdf

[JohnK87]

Hopefully the Legislature will see the error of their ways and kill that law, rendering the lawsuit moot. I'd like to see a lot of government levels do their own examination and preemptively change their laws so the courts don't clog up and the lawyers aren't enriched.

[chiefjason]

Hopefully the Legislature will see the error of their ways and kill that law, rendering the lawsuit moot. I'd like to see a lot of government levels do their own examination and preemptively change their laws so the courts don't clog up and the lawyers aren't enriched.

IIRC, tried and failed. This came to a head last winter when a city declared a state of emergency for snow and the law came to light with a lot more people. It needs to go, and take some of the others with it. We can't even get a Castle Doctrine through, this does not have a chance in the legislature right now.

King, NC article on state of emergency gun ban.

Residents Fumed Over Weekend Alcohol, Firearm Ban - Winston-Salem News Story - WXII The Triad

[trekkiejt]

Wasn't legislation levied to prevent this is after Katrina?

[chiefjason]

Wasn't legislation levied to prevent this is after Katrina?

IIRC, that applied to seizure of guns from your property. I could be wrong. This applies to carrying guns off your property. They do not allow guns or ammo to be bought, sold, or carried off property in a state of emergency. Pretty ridiculous. Here's the statute.

14‑288.7. Transporting dangerous weapon or substance during emergency; possessing off premises; exceptions.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to transport or possess off his own premises any dangerous weapon or substance in any area:
(1) In which a declared state of emergency exists; or
(2) Within the immediate vicinity of which a riot is occurring.
(b) This section does not apply to persons exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269 with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties.
(c) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

[Jesters Dead]

SAF rocks.

[Katana]

I'm thinking of building a shrine to Mr. Gura.

[Janq]

Gun Bunny is 100% accurate and correct in his statement toward what went down in NoLA toward Katrina.

As well watch the video I posted.
It is a news report which I myself was watching that day as it occurred in front of my eyes. I was like WT%$U&% are they doing!?!

And these were both NoLA police as well as National Guard _AND_ the US Marshal Service.
What Eddie Compass and Gov. Blanco did along with Bush was to use the Marshal Service to escort police and military, and to by that functionally work around the otherwise normal restrictions of Posse Comitatus.
They kicked in doors under authority of the Marshal Service by way of the guise of offering aid & rescue...As well as telling people this was for their own good and toward that of "public safety".

All people who were law enforcement officers AND people who claimed to be US citizens and who are supposed to follow the CONSTITUTION and to ignore/disobey unconstitutional orders.
Many LEOs say, including here, that if such n such were to occur they would walk would not obey. History thus far has not supported that assertion and Katrina was not the first but just the latest example of as much.

This was and is all very well documented on news video from the days as well as print and victim accounts first person. Nobody should not know or not be able to recall this stuff as it was just 5 yrs. ago.

This was not fiction.

Defenseless On the Bayou
New Orleans gun confiscation is foolish and illegal
David B. Kopel | September 10, 2005
http://reason.com/archives/2005/09/1...s-on-the-bayou

- Janq

"At the orders of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, the New Orleans Police, the National Guard, the Oklahoma National Guard, and U.S. Marshals have begun breaking into homes at gunpoint, confiscating their lawfully-owned firearms, and evicting the residents. "No one is allowed to be armed. We're going to take all the guns," says P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police." - David B. Kopel

[TheFreeman]

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

[Shadowsbane]

Confiscation requires locating the item to be confiscated.

In NC you have a duty to report your carrying of a firearm if you have a permit to do so. Even if the firearm is not on you.

Also very few people I know actually know of this law, as I bring it up on various forums as a reminder whenever a state of emergency is called. Most talk to me like I am crazy.

[DPro.40]

Its about "control" of the masses.

Fact of the matter is...Politicians dont want anyone carrying a gun when it hits the fan because the people wont blindly follow orders.

Utmost agreed.

[ASSA9]

They don,t need a law to confiscate guns in a state of emergency
all they have to do is make up a story about people shooting at
helicopters again.