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    Redstate.com ^ | July 1, 2010 | Erick Erickson
    Posted on July 1, 2010

    Multiple sources tell me the National Rifle Association is planning to endorse liberal Harry Reid against pro-gun champion Sharron Angle.

    Two weeks ago, I told you about the carveout the NRA received in exchange for their support for the DISCLOSE ACT deal.

    Then this week, RedState broke the story of the “gag order” the NRA issued to members of its Board on the Kagan nomination.

    Now, I’m getting credible reports that the NRA is leaning toward endorsing Harry Reid, even though the NRA is finally saying it will score a vote on Kagan — something that was not a sure thing.

    Why would they do this? Why would they go out of their way to protect a Senator who has demonstrated a repeated hostility to the Second Amendment in his votes and his leadership?

    Well, I thought perhaps the NRA carveout in the DISCLOSE Act might be the answer. But, there is more. It turns out, Reid secured a $61 million earmark for a gun range in Clark County, Nevada.


    NRA members were recently treated to a three-page spread in the American Rifleman about a visit to Nevada by Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox to “thank” Reid for the earmark. The article even includes a cliché picture of Reid cutting a ribbon with a gigantic pair of scissors. (Every good porker has his own giant pair of gold earmark scissors.) More here.

    There is a video of the event from Reid’s youtube site.

    At 3:25, you can hear LaPierre touting Reid’s record on guns saying, “I also want to thank you, Senator, for your support every day for the Second Amendment and for the rights of American gun owners. “

    The American Rifleman article also commends Reid’s Second Amendment record noting, “His dedication to this project is just one of the ways Sen. Reid has demonstrated his support for gun owners and the Second Amendment.”

    Well, that’s all very nice. What politician representing a pro-gun red state wouldn’t want Wayne LaPierre to come out for a personal photo op at their earmark ribbon cutting.

    But, here is the problem. Reid has not supported the Second Amendment “every day.” Or ever.

    Reid has a lifetime rating of “F” from Gun Owners of America (who Ron Paul once called “the only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington”). GOA is actively supporting the 100% pro-gun Republican nominee, Sharron Angle, in her campaign to unseat Harry Reid.

    But if you don’t believe GOA, see for yourself below the fold. Then call (800) 392-VOTE (8683) before it is too late and make the NRA knows they’d be betraying second amendment voters by endorsing Harry Reid.

    Below are just a few of the votes that demonstrate Reid’s longstanding hostility to guns and the Second Amendment. Not included in this list is the long list of consistent and active support for anti-gun nominees to the Federal Judiciary and to high level cabinet posts. The reason I did not include anti-gun nominees is because he supported every last one of them.

    June 28, 1991. Vote No. 115. Voted for a 5 day waiting period for handgun purchases.

    October 21, 1993. Vote 325. Voted to eliminate the Army Civilian Marksmanship Program. Only the most fringe anti-gun Senators voted for the amendment.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 385. Allow states to impose waiting periods over and above the 5 days waiting period required under the Brady Bill.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 386. Voted to eliminate the 5-year sunset in the Brady Bill.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 387. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 390. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

    November 20, 1993. Vote 394. Voted for the Brady Bill, which imposed a 5-business-day waiting period before purchasing a handgun.

    August 25, 1994. Vote 294. Voted to close off debate on the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

    August 25, 1994. Vote 295. Voted for the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

    April 17, 1996. Vote 64. Voted to expand the statute of limitations for paperwork violations in National Firearms Act from 3 years to 5 years.

    June 27, 1996. Vote 178. Voting to destroy 176,000 M-1 Garand rifles from World War II, and 150 million rounds of 30 caliber ammunition, rather than giving them to the Federal Civilian Marksmanship program.

    September 12, 1996. Vote 287. Voted to spend $21.5 million for a study on putting “taggants” in black and smokeless gunpowder.

    September 12, 1996. Vote 290. Voted to make it a Federal crime to possess a gun within 1,000 yards of a school.

    May 12, 1999. Vote 111. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions.

    May 13, 1999. Vote 116. Voted to ban the importation of ammunition clips that can hold more than 10 rounds.

    May 14, 1999. Vote 119. Voted to criminalize internet advertisements to sell legal firearms in a legal manner.

    May 18, 1999. Vote 122. Voted to for Mandatory triggerlocks.

    May 20, 1999. Vote 133. Voted to create new Federal regulation of pawn shops handling of guns.

    May 20, 1999. Vote 134. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions. The vote was 50-50, with Vice President Gore casting the tie-breaking vote.

    May 20, 1999. Vote 140. Voted for the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

    July 29, 1999. Vote 224. Voted to close debate on the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

    February 2, 2000. Vote 4. Voted to make firearms manufacturers and distributors’ debts nondischargeable in bankruptcy if they were sued because they unknowingly sold guns to individuals who used the gun in a crime. 68 Senators voted against Reid’s position, including 17 Democrats including Bryan of Nevada.

    March 2, 2000. Vote 27. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings.

    March 2, 2000. Vote 28. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings (reconsideration of vote 27).

    March 2, 2000. Vote 32. Voted to use Federal taxpayer funds to hand out anti-gun literature in schools and to run anti-gun public service announcements.

    April 6, 2000. Vote 64. Voted for a gun control package including new onerous restrictions on gun shows.

    April 7, 2000. Vote 74. Voted against an amendment to provide for the enforcement of existing gun laws in lieu of new burdensome gun control mandates.

    May 16, 2000. Vote 100. Voted to commend the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

    May 17, 2000. Vote 102. Vote to overturn the ruling of the chair that the Daschle amendment (commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures) was out of order.

    May 17, 2000. Vote 103. Voted against an amendment stating “the right of each law-abiding United States citizen to own a firearm for any legitimate purpose, including self-defense or recreation, should not be infringed.”

    May 17, 2000. Vote 104. Voted for an amendment commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

    February 26, 2004. Vote 17. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

    March 2, 2004. Vote 25. Voted for Federal regulation of gun shows.

    July 28, 2005. Vote 207. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

    March 5, 2009. Vote 83. Voted against a ban on the United Nations imposing taxes on American citizens after France and other world leaders proposed a global tax on firearms.
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    You sure abut this? HAHA omgosh ...

    sigh ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangoseal View Post
    You sure abut this? HAHA omgosh ...

    sigh ..
    Erik Erikson's REDSTATE blog is very reliable and he has come under intense attack by the "other guys," so yeah, I'm pretty sure.
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    Here's the Email I sent the N.R.A.:

    To The National Rifle Association,

    I am currently a member of the EZ-Pay Life plan, but do not have my membership number handy.

    With that thought in mind I understand you are considering supporting Senator Harry Reid of Nevada in the upcoming elections over a solidly pro-gun conservative.

    I stopped being a member of the N.R.A. once before over your "compromise" to legislation banning the possession of armor piercing ammunition and it took me many years to even consider joining you again.

    I am an avid shooting enthusiast and competitor, as well as a LEO. To see you back a candidate with such an anti-gun record tells me that you really do not have the interest of your members at heart.

    If this rumor I heard proves to be true I will once again turn my back on the N.R.A. and most likely will not consider changing my mind in the future.

    Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.

    Biker
    I strongly encourage all the members here that are members of the N.R.A. to Email, call and write the N.R.A.. If they really do represent their members they will consider what we have to say. If not, I'll renounce my membership and support G.O.A. only.

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    Erik Erikson's REDSTATE blog is very reliable
    Oh it's reliable all right. Reliably the greatest source of laughter around.

    The NRA is probably making the right call here. It behooves them to secure clout with the Senate Majority Leader - who is looking safe in his reelection bid - than to saddle up with Angle. Sharron, in case you haven't noticed, is a laughingstock nut-ball.

    More importantly, she has no legislative clout. Her record is that she votes "no" on everything. That's good for her cred with Tea people, but not with lobbyists. Not with people trying to cut deals and get business done. So she has no power because she commands no backing at higher levels. She represents nobody except her crazy screeching self.

    The NRA knows that alienating Reid would make a powerful enemy, and Angle would be useless and no help with anything, even if she did win - which she won't. My disclosure statement to the above is that I'm a member of NLA-ILS and keep an eye on what the Association thinks is good strategy.
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    Oh it's reliable all right. Reliably the greatest source of laughter around.
    Erickson and redstate are right up there with prison planet and wnd when it comes to factual information. I could care less if the pro-gun politician is a fire breathing John Brown type preacher or a lesbian Wiccan. The pro-gunner will get my vote every time. Harry Reid is a pro-gunner.

    Harry Reid voted against the extension of the AWB in 2004. The extension of the AWB passed the US senate because ten of those fine gun loving Republican senators voted for it.

    Yep, another bash the NRA thread. The Brady bunch applauds your efforts to split the awful gun lobby.

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    We'll see if it's true.

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    That's a heck of a list and I'm sure easily verifiable if someone has the time.
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    I understand the quandry of voting for Reid. The best way we could insure gun-rights is to make the Democrats the minority party. That would send a bigger message to the Blue-Dogs which way to vote on this issue.

    However Reid had a solid A+ with the NRA along with James Webb and to desert him would show others that they can't depend on us no matter how they vote and that would push many into the Liberal camp pretty quickly.

    I'm going to vote out every Dem I can in this election.

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    NRA and Harry Reed

    What's the deal with the NRA supporting Harry Reed? This guy has been against "guns" for 30 years. The NRA has made some bad decisions lately, IMHO. If they support Reed, I'm afraid my support for the NRA will waiver.

    Just my 2 cents......

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    He got a big chunk of pork for a new range. To my knowledge, it was the only pro-gun act for which he was ever responsible, and he has voted literally dozens of times for anti-gun legislation. I know politics makes strange bedfellows, but it sickens me. Here's the e-mail I got from a friend this morning:




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    NRA Now Leans Toward Endorsing Harry Reid


    Thursday, July 1st at 8:00AM EDT



    Multiple sources tell me the National Rifle Association is planning to endorse liberal Harry Reid against pro-gun champion Sharron Angle.

    Two weeks ago, I told you about the carveout the NRA received in exchange for their support for the DISCLOSE ACT deal.

    Then this week, RedState broke the story of the “gag order” the NRA issued to members of its Board on the Kagan nomination.

    Now, I’m getting credible reports that the NRA is leaning toward endorsing Harry Reid, even though the NRA is finally saying it will score a vote on Kagan — something that was not a sure thing.

    Why would they do this? Why would they go out of their way to protect a Senator who has demonstrated a repeated hostility to the Second Amendment in his votes and his leadership?

    Well, I thought perhaps the NRA carveout in the DISCLOSE Act might be the answer. But, there is more. It turns out, Reid secured a $61 million earmark for a gun range in Clark County, Nevada.

    NRA members were recently treated to a three-page spread in the American Rifleman about a visit to Nevada by Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox to “thank” Reid for the earmark. The article even includes a cliché picture of Reid cutting a ribbon with a gigantic pair of scissors. (Every good porker has his own giant pair of gold earmark scissors.) More here.

    Here is a video of the event from Reid’s youtube site.

    At 3:25, you can hear LaPierre touting Reid’s record on guns saying, “I also want to thank you, Senator, for your support every day for the Second Amendment and for the rights of American gun owners. “

    The American Rifleman article also commends Reid’s Second Amendment record noting, “His dedication to this project is just one of the ways Sen. Reid has demonstrated his support for gun owners and the Second Amendment.”

    Well, that’s all very nice. What politician representing a pro-gun red state wouldn’t want Wayne LaPierre to come out for a personal photo op at their earmark ribbon cutting.

    But, here is the problem. Reid has not supported the Second Amendment “every day.” Or ever.

    Reid has a lifetime rating of “F” from Gun Owners of America (who Ron Paul once called “the only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington”). GOA is actively supporting the 100% pro-gun Republican nominee, Sharron Angle, in her campaign to unseat Harry Reid.

    But if you don’t believe GOA, see for yourself below the fold. Then call (800) 392-VOTE (8683) before it is too late and make the NRA knows they’d be betraying second amendment voters by endorsing Harry Reid.

    Below are just a few of the votes that demonstrate Reid’s longstanding hostility to guns and the Second Amendment. Not included in this list is the long list of consistent and active support for anti-gun nominees to the Federal Judiciary and to high level cabinet posts. The reason I did not include anti-gun nominees is because he supported every last one of them.

    June 28, 1991. Vote No. 115. Voted for a 5 day waiting period for handgun purchases.

    October 21, 1993. Vote 325. Voted to eliminate the Army Civilian Marksmanship Program. Only the most fringe anti-gun Senators voted for the amendment.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 385. Allow states to impose waiting periods over and above the 5 days waiting period required under the Brady Bill.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 386. Voted to eliminate he 5-year sunset in the Brady Bill.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 387. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

    November 19, 1993. Vote 390. Voted to close off debate on the Brady Bill.

    November 20, 1993. Vote 394. Voted for the Brady Bill, which imposed a 5-business-day waiting period before purchasing a handgun.

    August 25, 1994. Vote 294. Voted to close off debate on the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

    August 25, 1994. Vote 295. Voted for the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”

    April 17, 1996. Vote 64. Voted to expand the statute of limitations for paperwork violations in National Firearms Act from 3 years to 5 years.

    June 27, 1996. Vote 178. Voting to destroy 176,000 M-1 Garand rifles from World War II, and 150 million rounds of 30 caliber ammunition, rather than giving them to the Federal Civilian Marksmanship program.

    September 12, 1996. Vote 287. Voted to spend $21.5 million for a study on putting “taggants” in black and smokeless gunpowder.

    September 12, 1996. Vote 290. Voted to make it a Federal crime to possess a gun within 1,000 yards of a school.

    May 12, 1999. Vote 111. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions.

    May 13, 1999. Vote 116. Voted to ban the importation of ammunition clips that can hold more than 10 rounds.

    May 14, 1999. Vote 119. Voted to criminalize internet advertisements to sell legal firearms in a legal manner.

    May 18, 1999. Vote 122. Voted to for Mandatory triggerlocks.

    May 20, 1999. Vote 133. Voted to create new Federal regulation of pawn shops handling of guns.

    May 20, 1999. Vote 134. Voted to give the Treasury Department expansive new authority to regulate and keep records on gun shows and their participants, and criminalize many intrastate firearms transactions. The vote was 50-50, with Vice President Gore casting the tie-breaking vote.

    May 20, 1999. Vote 140. Voted for the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

    July 29, 1999. Vote 224. Voted to close debate on the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a package of gun control measures.

    February 2, 2000. Vote 4. Voted to make firearms manufacturers and distributors’ debts nondischargeable in bankruptcy if they were sued because they unknowingly sold guns to individuals who used the gun in a crime. 68 Senators voted against Reid’s position, including 17 Democrats including Bryan of Nevada.

    March 2, 2000. Vote 27. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings.

    March 2, 2000. Vote 28. Voted to say that school violence was due to the fact that Congress “failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures” and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings (reconsideration of vote 27).

    March 2, 2000. Vote 32. Voted to use Federal taxpayer funds to hand out anti-gun literature in schools and to run anti-gun public service announcements.

    April 6, 2000. Vote 64. Voted for a gun control package including new onerous restrictions on gun shows.

    April 7, 2000. Vote 74. Voted against an amendment to provide for the enforcement of existing gun laws in lieu of new burdensome gun control mandates.

    May 16, 2000. Vote 100. Voted to commend the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

    May 17, 2000. Vote 102. Vote to overturn the ruling of the chair that the Daschle amendment (commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures) was out of order.

    May 17, 2000. Vote 103. Voted against an amendment stating “the right of each law-abiding United States citizen to own a firearm for any legitimate purpose, including self-defense or recreation, should not be infringed.”

    May 17, 2000. Vote 104. Voted for an amendment commending the participants of the so-called “Million Mom March” for their demand for more Federal restrictions on firearms ownership, and to urge the passage of strict gun control measures.

    February 26, 2004. Vote 17. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

    March 2, 2004. Vote 25. Voted for Federal regulation of gun shows.

    July 28, 2005. Vote 207. Voted for mandatory triggerlocks.

    March 5, 2009. Vote 83. Voted against a ban on the United Nations imposing taxes on American citizens after France and other world leaders proposed a global tax on firearms.

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    Here is an explanation of the politics involved, from the Wall Street Journal:

    By Susan Davis
    The chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association made an interesting admission to The Weekly Standard following a Wednesday report by RedState.com that the powerful gun lobby might back Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his general election battle against Republican Sharron Angle.

    It’s not that they might endorse Reid—because they might, said chief lobbyist Chris Cox—but that the issue doesn’t appear to be as much about the records of Reid and Angle, but rather the specter of a Senate run by either Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois or New York Sen. Chuck Schumer.

    “Truthfully, the two individuals vying for majority leader should Harry Reid lose are the two most rabidly anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment senators in Washington, Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin,” Cox said. “Does that give concern to NRA members and gun owners all over America? Absolutely, it does.”

    If Reid loses his re-election battle, Durbin and Schumer are widely expected to run for Senate majority leader. Both are more ideologically liberal than Reid on a number of issues, not just guns.

    For the NRA, it’s an unusually candid comment on the political nature of their decision. But it’s not he first time in recent weeks the NRA has been in the spotlight for their political decisions.

    The group was the target of criticism on the right after it the cut a deal with Democratic congressional leaders to exempt the gun lobby from new campaign finance rules.

    Cox dismissed a suggestion by RedState that Reid’s securing of a $61 million gun range in Nevada would affect their nod, but he did describe it as “the most impressive shooting facility in the world.”



    Makes some sense, sad as it may be.

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    Harry Reid was awarded an "F" by Gun Owners of America.

    I think more need not be said.

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    Sometimes it is better to deal with the devil you know instead of one you don't.

    Reid has the power to keep his position in the Senate. Others who would replace him, failing a very major turnover, would be worse for the 2nd than he is.

    He has stated that he wouldn't support another AWB ban, at least that was his statement last year. Do I believe him? Yeah actually, simply because he wants to keep his job, and the way the tide is turning, especially in his state, if he votes for a ban, he will be unemployed. The other likely people to replace his position in the senate, will not run that risk regardless of how they vote.

    It sucks, but in my mind it is a tactically proper action.
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    I hope the NRA will fall. I am sick and tired of all their a**kissing to the other side.

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