How Many Of Y'all See THIS As The First Step To UN Intervention....HERE?

How Many Of Y'all See THIS As The First Step To UN Intervention....HERE?

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    Question How Many Of Y'all See THIS As The First Step To UN Intervention....HERE?

    ExSoldier's NOTE: S'pose it doesn't work? S'pose there is a shift in who controls WHAT on the national scene....S'pose a Somalia type plan were to emerge to ask for UN "Peace Keepers" to come onto US Soil and "control rampant gun crime?" NOTE this is not an anti-UN SHTF scenario. PLEASE DON'T ruin this thread with wild Rambo assertions. I just want to see where all this "send in the national guard to disarm the bad guys" mentality might be leading.....


    National Guard called to fight New Orleans crime
    By Peter HendersonMon Jun 19, 8:09 PM ET
    Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco on Monday said she would send National Guard troops and state police to New Orleans to fight rising violence after five teenagers were shot and killed.

    The brutal pre-dawn shooting on Saturday was one of the most deadly attacks in the history of New Orleans and raised fear among residents that crime is returning before the city can completely recover from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina.

    "The situation is urgent and we will accelerate our plans to deploy law enforcement to the city tomorrow," Blanco said in a statement after Mayor Ray Nagin and the city council called for reinforcements for city police.

    "We will respond with personnel from the State Police and National Guard," she said, adding that 300 National Guard troops and 60 state police would start arriving on Tuesday.

    The mayor and city council members held a special meeting on Monday morning in the wake of the shooting in the city which used to have one of the highest murder rates in the United States.

    "We are not going ... to let hurricane crime replace Hurricane Katrina," City Council President Oliver Thomas said in televised remarks as mothers of victims of the Saturday shooting stood nearby. Nagin also said he would set a curfew for young people in the city.

    The mayor and governor both said that before the shooting they had been working on a plan to reinforce the city.

    New Orleans is still reeling from Katrina, which hit last August 29, and only about 220,000 people, or half the pre-storm population, have come back, leaving many neighborhoods dark and many returning citizens isolated.

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    "I'm really frightened to come back here," said Iris Beck, cleaning out her house in the Sugar Hill section of town, which had flooded with a few feet of water after the storm. Most homes on the block still stand empty, spray-painted red crosses with the numbers 9 15 showing rescuers searched the neighborhood mid-September, or about two weeks after Katrina struck.

    Beck called the National Guard proposal an "excellent idea" to respond to crime with discipline. "I'm going back to old school tactics, the way we were raised," she said, remembering stern elders who whipped children for disciplinary infractions but also gave them firm direction in life.

    One or more assailants with semi-automatic handguns sprayed a sports utility vehicle shortly before dawn on Saturday, killing a 16-year-old, a 17-year-old and three 19-year-olds, said police, who found the vehicle slammed into a utility pole, surrounded by shell casings.

    Four were dead on the spot and the fifth died shortly thereafter, raising the number of killings to 52 this year.

    That is less than half the number a year ago, but the city's population is similarly low and killings have accelerated in the last two months, according to police statistics. Residents and local media frequently voice a fear that crime is accelerating.

    New Orleans was once one of the most dangerous cities in the United States, but the level of violence dropped sharply in the wake of Katrina, which killed more than 1,500 and drove nearly the entire population from their homes.
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    IMHO they're going to continue even with the guard on site three hundred to patrol how much distance. Don't see em as much of a deterrant but then again the citizens can't defend themselves. THE GOVERNMENT DISARMED THEM FOR THEIRE OWN SAFTY !!!sheesh

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    Give it time. The NRA will be all over it. 5....4....3....2....
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    I heard this story on the radio and thought, "out-law guns and this is what you get."

    I tend to think that this country is a lot bigger than Nagan's little toilet hole (as he has turned it into.) There is just too much of the rest of this, "greatest country on the face of the planet," to make New-Orleans the template for the rest of us. (Not that the Libs wouldn't have it that way if they could. You can't control a population if you don't turn them into victims first.)

    Anyhow, I'm thinking that this will eventually stand more as an example of what not to do, than the example of what to do. The American public will not accept national guard troops in our streets as the norm. There is just too many examples of communities where law abiding, armed citizens, cared for each other better than the guard can.

    Maybe I'm just to optimistic, but I hope, and expect better from my countrymen in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkhunter
    I heard this story on the radio and thought, "out-law guns and this is what you get." The American public will not accept national guard troops in our streets as the norm. There is just too many examples of communities where law abiding, armed citizens, cared for each other better than the guard can.

    Maybe I'm just to optimistic, but I hope, and expect better from my countrymen in the long run.

    My 2 cents.
    You ARE an optimist. I think the sheep are getting desperate for some "comfort" and are willing to look anywhere but the RIGHT place (themselves) in order to find a little "peace & security." From sheep, I expect just about what N.O. got in the long run....zero. Not enough sheepdogs to fill the gaps....so far.

    The real danger is not that the guard is in the streets....the danger is that the guard is in the streets absent martial law and they're NOT really trained to conduct LEO functions. Riot/mob control (the good old ROMP & STOMP) isn't the same thing. What they are demonstrably good at is conducting combat operations against an armed and determined enemy in an urban environment. Talk about militarizing the police!

    I'm hoping that the NRA does get involved as soon as there are incidents of abuse (and it's coming sure as God made little green apples). A better use of this precious resource would be the valid militarization of the Southern Border and the armed incursions of the Mexican military escorting MS13 into our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssssthesnake
    THE GOVERNMENT DISARMED THEM FOR THERE OWN SAFTY !!!sheesh
    I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .45acp
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    Aint that the truth

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    Clearly a police issue, with no justification to mobilize the guard, but still it is a state issue, not the federal army. I hope someone with Louisiana/Federal constitutional expertise gets in the mix soon to stop the insanity. You're right, it sets a very bad precedent, and we all may regret it.
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    Hey guys just think of them as chefs in cammo because after all summer is basically here and you can't bake a chocolate city without stirring in the chips can you ?
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    I hope this does not get started. I am afraid that if one area starts to set a precedent then other area's around the U.S. may start to do the same thing and once it starts, it will be VERY hard to shut down. Just my 2 cents.
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    Trying not to sound racist; this is what you get from trying making it a pure "chocolate town". Most of all the good people never came back. This is what happened to Gary Indiana when the evil white people were driven out. Not to mention that any racism (from either side) drives a wedge between people and tends to destabilize everything else. I still can't believe that they reelected that racists, self centered, military general Impersonator.
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    I just want to see where all this "send in the national guard to disarm the bad guys" mentality might be leading.....
    It's going to lead to the sheeple accepting that we "need" the military on the street to control crime.

    In my paper this morning, the article mentioned that they were sending 100 NG troops with law enforcement backgrounds and 60 state troopers. At least they are starting with the right thought that the jobs (military and LE) are different; not that I think it should start at all.

    I agree with the comments that it sets a bad precedent.
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    Since it is the La. National Guard, rather than the regular army, this is a purely state matter and probably isn't illegal/unconstitutional.

    That said, soldiers are not cops and should not be used as such. This is a disaster waiting to happen. The NG's job is NOT preventing drug fueled inner city violence. They are not trained, nor equipped to do the job. This is just another meaningless guesture by the ruling politicos down there who are desperately trying to hide their own impotence/incompetence.

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    Its just as legal as using the National Guard during the Civil Rights issues of the 60s . I just don't see what NG troops are going to be able to do in this situation ( unlike on the border which lends its self to a millitary patrol ) but *** if a few guys can get their deployment in NO instead of Baghdad or Falloja I say more power to them.
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