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Fire Mission & Ronoke Times -- "news" on VT families & gun shows...

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    in another reprint of _Virginian-Pilot_'s bovine excrement

    And also a poll at http://www.wavy.com/

    The poll at this link is on the right side of the main WAVY page and is horribly written.

    It is associated with a story about a bill and a forum on closing the non-existent "gun show loophole," being supported by some of the Virginia Tech parents. Forget that Cho didn't get his guns at a gun show and that he passed a background check TWICE.

    The question is: "Family members of those killed by a student gunman are asking Congress to pass a federal law requiring background checks on
    all buyers at gun shows. Do you think people buying guns should have to pass a background check?"

    As written it seems to be asking if ALL background checks be scrapped (fine by me, but probably not what the question should have been). That is confusing many people, who don't really understand the gun show issue.

    Anyway, I don't like background checks for a Constitutionally protected item, so I voted a firm "NO," answering their poll truthfully.

    The Roanoke Time item is at:

    http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/253576


    Happening today: Tech families asking Congress for gun show checks
    By Julian Walker | The (Norfolk) Virginian-Pilot

    WASHINGTON -- Family members of those wounded and killed in the April 2007
    Virginia Tech shootings during a Capitol Hill event today will continue to
    push for a law change requiring criminal background checks before certain
    firearms transactions are completed at gun shows.

    A forum about closing the gun show loophole is scheduled to be held in the
    U.S. House Judiciary Committee room this afternoon.

    The so-called loophole is a wrinkle in state law that requires licensed gun
    dealers to run a criminal history check before selling a gun, but doesn't hold
    private sellers to that standard.

    Efforts to change the law to mandate background checks before private guns
    sale are completed have repeatedly failed to pass the General Assembly.

    Tech families and others of their ilk argue that lax gun laws lead to
    violence; Gun rights advocates disagree, noting that Tech gunman Seung Hui Cho
    did not obtain the weapons he used to slaughter 32 people at a gun show.

    On the eve of today's forum, Tech families and the Brady Campaign to Prevent
    Gun Violence issued the following statement:

    The families of the victims, the survivors and their families would all like
    to thank Congressman Bobby Scott for his leadership on this critical public
    safety issue.

    After the massacre at Virginia Tech, Governor Kaine created the Virginia Tech
    Review Panel comprised of eight nationally recognized and respected
    individuals with a wide variety of expertise The panel eventually produced an
    extensive report which included 81 specific recommendations covering: improved
    laws, policies, procedures, systems and institutions of the Commonwealth of
    Virginia and the operation of public safety agencies, medical facilities,
    local agencies, private providers, universities and mental health delivery
    systems.

    >From the beginning we, the families of the victims, the survivors and their
    families, gave our support to the panel members and, after the report was
    presented, to the agencies and legislators charged with implementing the
    recommended changes. Virtually all of the recommendations were acted upon with
    one glaring exception, that being: "Virginia should require background checks
    for all firearm sales, including those at gun shows."

    The panel recognized the importance of limiting the ease of access to firearms
    for people that have been judged to be a danger to themselves or others due to
    severe mental illness. They also recognized that any improvements in the
    procedures that identified individuals prohibited from buying firearms due to
    mental illness through the NICS background check system, would be totally
    ineffective if some types of commercial firearm sales are allowed to continue
    to circumvent the background check system. Gun shows are one of the most
    popular public venues where firearms can be sold or exchanged between total
    strangers without the need for a background check on the purchaser.

    Virginia has yet to close this "Gunshow Loophole," however, this problem is
    not limited to the confines of the Commonwealth of Virginia, but rather
    extends across all 37 states still allow the public sale of firearms without a
    background check.

    Background checks on purchasers attempting to buy firearms from licensed
    dealers have prevented 1.8 million ineligible sales over the years that the
    Brady law has been in effect. The vast majority of background checks currently
    take less than a few minutes to complete and present no obstacle to eligible
    firearms buyers.

    We know from firsthand experience the pain and devastation that can result
    when a person prohibited by law from owning or possessing firearms can
    nevertheless gain easy access to them and use them to maim and kill. That is
    why we are asking the Federal Government to step in and enact legislation to
    make it more difficult for dangerous people to obtain dangerous weapons.
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    I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    Voted.
    72% No
    27% yes
    I just voted and no change! Still the same as slim posted.
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    LOL gun show background checks ....

    I can go right now and get 2 tec-9s out of the back of a trunk in downtown Atlanta.

    Gotta love the commonsenseless bantering of sheep.
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    Thumbs down

    It's gone!

    Guess they didn't like the results.

    I can't find a link to look at old polls, either.

    Replaced with "Virginia learns of $220 million budget surplus:
    Where do you think Virginia's budget surplus should go?"
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    I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.

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    I voted other because paying off state debt is not an option sigh ..... VA needs to take 220 mil and pay off debt and get out of the hole. Same with my state GA.
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