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    Multiple lawsuits-LEOS confiscate legal guns-Philly-ACLU weighs in +

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    As stated in the article, ignorance of the law is no excuse for me or you. It shouldn't be an excuse for the police officer.

    As a minimum, any officer that arrested one of these men illegally and confiscated their gun should be fired.

    Also, since it appears from the article that these were all black men, where is the FBI with their investigation? It seems to me this may well be racial profiling and a systematic violation of their civil rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1953 View Post
    As stated in the article, ignorance of the law is no excuse for me or you. It shouldn't be an excuse for the police officer.

    As a minimum, any officer that arrested one of these men illegally and confiscated their gun should be fired.

    Also, since it appears from the article that these were all black men, where is the FBI with their investigation? It seems to me this may well be racial profiling and a systematic violation of their civil rights.
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    Agreed 100%!

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    Please all, do read the article. So much for all the disdain heaped here by others on the ACLU.

    According to the article the ACLU is involved because 9 men were arrested, had their guns confiscated, two were held for 18 hours, and all were legally carrying. In short, the Phila. police officers involved did what they darn well pleased, the law notwithstanding.

    I liked these quotes:
    "Mary Catherine Roper, a staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania's Philadelphia office, said that the cases seem "pretty outrageous." "This idea of taking people's guns who are carrying them legally and arresting them is absurd," she said." "The police don't get to decide what is a crime - they only get to enforce what is a crime."
    "They are simply acting as vigilantes here and deciding they know better than the law."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1953 View Post
    As stated in the article, ignorance of the law is no excuse for me or you. It shouldn't be an excuse for the police officer.

    As a minimum, any officer that arrested one of these men illegally and confiscated their gun should be fired.

    Also, since it appears from the article that these were all black men, where is the FBI with their investigation? It seems to me this may well be racial profiling and a systematic violation of their civil rights.
    Agreed well stated amazed the ACLU is stepping up. Is it only because of the victims race or are they finally acknowledging that 2A is a civil right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongRider View Post
    Agreed well stated amazed the ACLU is stepping up. Is it only because of the victims race or are they finally acknowledging that 2A is a civil right?
    I read the article twice and didn't see where the victim's race was given. Maybe I missed something. I sure couldn't tell from the names or the general locations with a couple of exceptions for NE Phila. Are you guys sure race is an issue here?

    I think the ACLUs role isn't about the 2A aspect, or the race aspect, but the simple fact that folks were arrested, held for hours, deprived of their property, merely because some officers decided they didn't like the way the law worked, so they'd do their own thing. It is also about the fact that the city entered into settlement agreements and never honored them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Please all, do read the article. So much for all the disdain heaped here by others on the ACLU.

    According to the article the ACLU is involved because 9 men were arrested, had their guns confiscated, two were held for 18 hours, and all were legally carrying. In short, the Phila. police officers involved did what they darn well pleased, the law notwithstanding.

    I liked these quotes:
    "Mary Catherine Roper, a staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania's Philadelphia office, said that the cases seem "pretty outrageous." "This idea of taking people's guns who are carrying them legally and arresting them is absurd," she said." "The police don't get to decide what is a crime - they only get to enforce what is a crime."
    "They are simply acting as vigilantes here and deciding they know better than the law."

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    The ACLU is quoted. I did not read anywhere that said that they are involved. Best I could find was that the staff attorney was commenting on the cases. Now, I am shocked that they actually agreed that the police can't take guns under these circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    The ACLU is quoted. I did not read anywhere that said that they are involved. Best I could find was that the staff attorney was commenting on the cases. Now, I am shocked that they actually agreed that the police can't take guns under these circumstances.
    It is a bit hard to tell from the article. You are right it does not say ACLU is representing them and in fact gives the name of an attorney and the ACLU person's comment followed.

    Its a bit hard to see why an ACLU attorney would comment on the case though unless there was some active interest in it.

    Bottom line, we can't tell for sure from the story. You raised a good point.

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    Don't get your hopes up about the ACLU. Sometimes they will stray across the center line to appear like they're concerned about everyones rights. They have defended the American Nazi Party and the Ku Klux Klan, but the other 99% of the time they're defending Communists, terrorists and criminals as usual. I'm sure the arrested mens color had plenty to do with the ACLU's actions. Another part of their ploy. The Nevada chapter is the only one which recognizes the 2A.
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    Roger Baldwin - the founder of the American Civil Liberties Union was a card-carrying communist.
    The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, stated:
    "We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    Roger Baldwin - the founder of the American Civil Liberties Union was a card-carrying communist.
    The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, stated:
    "We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)
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    1. This was said 70+ years ago.
    2. Baldwin denounced the Soviet Union and later purged members of the American Communist Party from the ACLU.
    3. Regardless of the views of the founder, views that are over half a century old, that's not what they are going for today. I'm sure I can't dissuade you from thinking that the ACLU is evil, but any sane view of their activities shows that whatever they are for, it isn't the spread of Communism.

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    Given that we are talking about Philly here - I can't say I am surprised.
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    Just unbelievable......... alright, nevermind. I can believe it.

    These people have a real case. Hope their ready to see it through.
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