The UN debacle - day by day.

The UN debacle - day by day.

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    The UN debacle - day by day.

    There will be some pretty broad coverage on this thing - which has already started off. I thought it might be handy to collect reports each day as and when they come thru from NRA - so we finish up with ref' data in one place.

    I will start off with these few items from NRA-ILA and add more later - or anyone else can too if they spot something from another source.

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    U.S. Supports Right To Bear Arms At UN Small Arms Conference

    The UN "Small Arms" Conference entered its second day with more country statements being delivered to the delegates gathered in the General Assembly Chamber.

    Read More: http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegisla...d.aspx?ID=2295

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    Day One Of U.N. Gun Ban Summit
    Townhall.com
    They`ve gathered in New York City, the best and brightest minds in the global gun ban movement. Oh, they don`t want you to think for a second that they`re actually interested in your guns.

    http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...27/202729.html

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    U.N. Challenge To Second Amendment
    Front Page
    "As our Independence Day celebration approaches, the United Nations is holding a global conference in New York, starting on June 26th and lasting through July 7th, whose real agenda is to begin a backdoor process of interference with our constitutionally protected right to individually bear arms," writes Joseph Klein.
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=23088

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    Isn't this the reason we have the right to bear arms? To protect ourselves from those (gov't) that wish to take our freedoms away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackerfanXD
    Isn't this the reason we have the right to bear arms? To protect ourselves from those (gov't) that wish to take our freedoms away?
    The UN isn't a government, or a body with any governing authority.
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    I responded to this on another thread, will we merge the un threads or keep up with multiples ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom357
    The UN isn't a government, or a body with any governing authority.
    True, but they have the power to tell a government what to do. We are not safe from the UN. If they pass a resolution to ban all small arms, all member nations must comply with that resolution. Meaning bye bye to the 2nd.

    This is a huge deal and must be watched closely.
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    Day two - http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...28/202908.html

    Nice to see we are sticking to our guns (pun intended) on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumberjack98
    True, but they have the power to tell a government what to do. We are not safe from the UN. If they pass a resolution to ban all small arms, all member nations must comply with that resolution. Meaning bye bye to the 2nd.

    This is a huge deal and must be watched closely.
    Don't think they can pass anything like this without our concent. We hold a permanent seat and can veto anything we don't like.
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    Today too -
    Wayne LaPierre: U.N. Out To Get Your Gun
    NewsMax
    Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association of America, has said of the U.N. conference, "Dictatorships, terrorist states and so-called `free` nations of the world plan to meet on our home soil to finalize a U.N. treaty that would strip all citizens of all nations of their right to self-protection."

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...27/91047.shtml
    U.S. Rejects Limits On Personal Guns
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    The United States will oppose any international effort to limit access of U.S. civilians to legal firearms but supports stronger controls on arms imports and exports, a senior State Department official says.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/world...3617-7798r.htm
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    I have been looking ( fruitlessly so far ) for the LaPierre Peters debate that was televised ( yea i know nra is selling it lol ) if anyone happens to see it , or even an honest transcript ( all i have seen have been edited ) let me know please .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs
    I have been looking ( fruitlessly so far ) for the LaPierre Peters debate that was televised ( yea i know nra is selling it lol ) if anyone happens to see it , or even an honest transcript ( all i have seen have been edited ) let me know please .

    Are you talking about the one with Rebecca Peters at King's college? I bought it and have watched it. I offered it up earlier to anyone that wanted to see it. If you want I will mail it to you.
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    Sent pm Ruger

    Also here is the link to the transcripts of the delegates ( i am linking the page that has Mr. Robert Joseph our Under-secretary for Arms Control and International Security Affairs about half way down the page )

    http://www.un.org/events/smallarms20...tes060627.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom357
    The UN isn't a government, or a body with any governing authority.

    Exactly...

    And Kofi Annal and Co are as crooked as they come...



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    No NRA UN updates today.
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    Today,

    “The Canadian Lesson”

    By Tony Bernardo
    Canadian Institute for Legislative Action


    Mr. President, I am Tony Bernardo, Executive Director of the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action. I want to thank you and the Conference for making it possible for NGOs to speak today.

    Five years ago in this very venue, at the 2001 Small Arms Conference, NGOs were also allowed to make presentations. I was privileged enough to be one of the presenters on that occasion. Mr. President, throughout this Conference’s proceeding others have commented on what has and has not occurred, what has and has not changed.

    Mr. President, a great deal has changed in Canada. With the possible exception of Brazil, I do not think any state represented here today has undergone a change in attitude or policy such as Canada has. Now it should be obvious that I speak as a representative of a Canadian NGO and not the government of Canada. Notwithstanding that fact, I am here today to ensure that due attention is paid to what has occurred.

    Mr. President, there have been two watershed events in Canada since the 2001 Conference, and they are directly related. First, Mr. President, Canada had the on-the-ground experience of attempting to institute an extensive but impractical gun registration system. Many are familiar with the details and I will not cite chapter and verse or inundate you with budgetary horror stories. I’ll only say that what was supposed to cost millions of dollars cost billions of dollars – what was supposed to fight crime only made criminals out of law-abiding citizens and what was supposed to be a model for the world turned out to be a painful lesson of how not to do it.

    The second watershed event was that the very firearms registration scheme I have just described went on to become a significant political issue in several federal elections. The government that produced the programme is, shall we say, no longer with us. Elections have consequences and policies change. The registration scheme itself is now in the process of being reformed by the current government.

    Mr. President, there is an important lesson to be learned here. Regulatory schemes, whether they are national or international, are doomed to failure if their primary impact is upon the law-abiding; hunters, sport shooters and firearms owners. Mr. President, perhaps others will disagree with this assessment, but we believe the Canadian experience cannot be ignored. The UN must focus on illegal international trafficking and not be seduced into impractical new schemes.

    Unfortunately, Mr. President, the draft report does contain one such scheme. An international effort on marking and tracing of ammunition is beyond the pale of what is either practical or realistic. Indeed, the implementation of importation marks applied to firearms has already been significantly delayed in Canada due to the horrendous costs and technical problems associated with it, costs that shall be born by legitimate industry and ultimately, Canadian sportspersons. Yet, the technical difficulties in applying markings to previously manufactured firearms are mere “child’s play” compared to the impact that the marking and tracing of ammunition would have on legitimate industry.

    On behalf of the millions on people in Canada’s recreational firearms community, we implore the United Nations to consider these factors when striving for focus on these critical issues.

    Finally, I’d like to congratulate a number of countries for the inclusion of language respecting the legitimacy of sport shooting. Such language facilitates the common goals we seek.

    With that comment, Mr. President, thank you for your indulgence and patience.
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    More today -

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    Day Four At The UN Gun Ban Conference

    Townhall.com

    It seems to be getting quiet at the United Nations. Oh, the delegates are still speaking, but on Thursday much of the discussion moved behind closed doors. Its funny, actually. Every anti-gun delegate or activist talks about the need for transparency in firearms ownership, but those running the gun summit dont seem that interested in transparency for what theyre doing.

    http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...30/203225.html

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    GOP Eyes U.N. For Budget Cuts As Ill Will Grows

    Washington Times

    Republicans in Congress moved yesterday to cut U.S. contributions to the United Nations budget just one day before the world body is scheduled to lift a budget cap imposed by the United States and other donors and to resume spending as usual.

    http://www.washtimes.com/world/20060...1948-5466r.htm

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    Letters to the Editor: A U.N. gun grab

    Washington Times.com

    Rachel Stohl claims, "The United Nations met to assess progress made in implementing the 2001 U.N. Programme of Action, agreed to by all U.N. member states, including the United States, to address the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects, not a global gun ban, as the NRA claims" ("A necessary summit," Letters, Tuesday).

    Allow me to quote the speech the representative of Indonesia gave on the first day of this conference: "We believe that no armed group outside of the State should be allowed to bear weapons. We also believe that regulating civilian possession of Small Arms/Light Weapons will enhance our efforts to prevent its misuse. In our view, the issue of ammunition should also be addressed in the context of the Program of Action because in the absence of ammunition, small arms and light weapons pose no danger."

    That is a gun ban, folks. Plain and simple.

    JACK SCHEIBLE - NRA member

    http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060...351r_page2.htm
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