Long Term Effects?

Long Term Effects?

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    Long Term Effects?

    Back in June, The Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendmentís guarantee of an individualís right to bear arms applied to state and local laws.

    What do you think the implications of this decision are going to be in the long run? Do you think state and local governments will fashion strong policies aimed at stopping gun violence?


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    That's another "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" question.

    Taking your questions individually and out of sequence:
    Do you think state and local governments will fashion strong policies aimed at stopping gun violence?
    It would be nice if they would fashion strong and EFFECTIVE policies directed at stopping gun violence. However, what seems to be the norm is that "feel good" solutions are enacted, to wit, "one gun a month" restrictions, "assault gun" bans, high-cap magazine bans, and all sorts of dumbness as evidenced by gun laws in places like New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York City, and the big counties and cities in California.

    What the numbers bear out is that oppressive gun laws such as those in Washington, DC and Chicago simply do not reduce violent crime, but may actually increase it since those who obey the laws are left without effective means of defense. I do hope I am preaching to the choir here.

    What do you think the implications of this decision are going to be in the long run?
    Sadly, what we've seen already is that the Daley Machine in Chicago has decided that they will enact more stupid laws to preserve a state of public disarmament, but craft the laws around the Heller and McDonald decisions. Look at what DC has done already... the poor guy Heller effectively still can't get a carry permit to legally bring home the gun he uses on the job as a security guard outside of DC. As we say in engineering, "it's tough to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious."

    And realistically, the two Supreme Court 5-4 decisions in "our" favor hardly constitute a bullet-proof validation of the Second Amendment. You had best believe that there are a host of "anti" lawyers already burning the midnight oil to come up with the next challenges to the Second Amendment intended to reach the Supreme Court.

    One of our Founding Fathers said that "eternal vigilance is the price of freedom," and that is particularly true with respect to our firearms rights. Those rights will only be preserved if we as the shooting public energize and involve more of those sitting on the sidelines and enjoying those rights without working for them.
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    I think state and local governments will learn after spending millions of dollars in legal fees that what they need to address is not gun violence, but simply violence.
    They will learn that instead of simply being able to blame an inanimate object for their failures, they will now have to acknowledge their own policy failures and deal with them.

    I think their biggest fear is going to come true when places like D.C. and Chicago actually have violent crime rates drop in direct contradiction to the dire predictions made by people like mayor Daley. When the massive wave of homicides that they have prophesied never materializes people will start to question other things they have been told for so long. With the credibility gap that creates any anti gun politician will easily be portrayed as the lunatic fringe who is not only out of touch with reality but also with the founding principles of this country. Soon the Brady bunch and the VPC will be relegated to the dust bin of history where they belong with the various temperance groups from the early twentieth century.
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    Despite such clear rulings by the Supreme Court those who oppose individual rights to keep and bear arms will not stop their campaign. And those who would rule over us in elected office will not stop pursuing their agenda.

    I predict that the future of gun control efforts will be ever-increasing pushes for "reasonable controls", de facto licensing schemes, safe storage requirements, training requirements, and every other means by which they can increase the expense of exercising Second Amendment rights and/or add onerous bureaucratic requirements to discourage the majority from owning, carrying, or using firearms.

    Look at the current push for micro-stamping requirements (de facto licensing and registration), lead ammunition bans, months-long permitting processes with exhorbitant fees, etc, etc, etc. It is easy to discern the intent of those who would disarm us all.

    The fight will never be over. There will always be another round of legislative or regulatory assaults to overcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    Sadly, what we've seen already is that the Daley Machine in Chicago has decided that they will enact more stupid laws to preserve a state of public disarmament, but craft the laws around the Heller and McDonald decisions. Look at what DC has done already... the poor guy Heller effectively still can't get a carry permit to legally bring home the gun he uses on the job as a security guard outside of DC. As we say in engineering, "it's tough to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious."

    And realistically, the two Supreme Court 5-4 decisions in "our" favor hardly constitute a bullet-proof validation of the Second Amendment. You had best believe that there are a host of "anti" lawyers already burning the midnight oil to come up with the next challenges to the Second Amendment intended to reach the Supreme Court.
    Elected officials in urban areas are going to try to legislatively nitpick away at Heller and McDonald: that is still what their public wants them to do.

    But if Heller and McDonald are not bullet proof, they are pretty darn bullet resistant:

    Make no mistake: those "anti" lawyers want to stay far away from this Supreme Court.

    Three cheers for Alan Gura, who keeps bringing them back there!

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