'Castle Doctrine' passes House & Senate in PA!

'Castle Doctrine' passes House & Senate in PA!

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    'Castle Doctrine' passes House & Senate in PA!



    The Senate took the house bill and added it unabridged as an amendment to "Megans Law". It's due back to the house now for a final vote before it heads to Eddies desk. Hopefully we can get this done and signed before the year is out

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    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_704244.html

    By Brad Bumsted
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    Thursday, October 14, 2010

    HARRISBURG --The Senate on Thursday is expected to give final consideration to legislation that would allow people to defend themselves with lethal force and without retreat in public places if an assailant threatens their lives. By a 41-8 vote, the Senate on Wednesday approved an amendment called "stand your ground" legislation. The Senate added the provision to a House-passed bill aimed at strengthening Megan's Law, which requires registration of sexual offenders.

    Thursday is the Senate's last scheduled session day of the 2009-2010 session. The House, which passed a similar bill by an overwhelming margin last week, would have to agree to the Senate's changes. The House plans to return to session after the Nov. 2 election.

    Under current law, people can defend themselves without retreat in their homes. It's called the Castle Doctrine based on the notion that one's home is their castle. But outside the home, people must take steps away from an assailant before shooting in self defense.

    The bill would tilt the presumption to law abiding citizens, said Sen. Richard Alloway, R-Franklin County, the amendment's sponsor.

    "It's only right we have the ability to protect ourselves and our loved ones," said Sen. Richard Kasunic, D-Fayette County.

    But Sen. Lawrence Farnese, D-Philadelphia, called it "shoot first, ask questions later" legislation.

    Sen. Vincent Hughes, D-Philadelphia, said the legislation would create a "Wild West" atmosphere on Pennsylvania streets.

    Proponents said it protects people with permits to carry firearms from zealous prosecutors and from civil lawsuits filed by the people who attacked them.

    Alloway said there is a real concern for people who act in self defense from civil litigation because the burden of proof is lower than in a criminal case.

    Dozens of members of Firearms Owners Against Crime, many of them from Western Pennsylvania, lobbied senators earlier Wednesday for passage of the Castle Doctrine extension.

    After the measure was approved, Sen. Daylin Leach, D-Montgomery County, offered an amendment to close the so-called "Florida loophole." It's aimed at people turned down for permits for carrying concealed weapons in Pennsylvania who go to other states such as Florida and get licenses.

    "People with no respect for the law aren't going to get a Florida license," said Sen. John Wozniak, D-Cambria County. "They don't care."
    Leach's amendment was defeated 29-20.

    Gov. Ed Rendell, former Philadelphia district attorney, has been asked repeatedly at news conferences whether he will sign or veto a Castle Doctrine extension bill. He says it's a complicated issue and he would have to review the bill.


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    That was very good
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    Great, a veto proof margin!
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    Good job! Now if only we could get Va to jump on board!

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    It all comes down to the wording and how far it goes. Congrats to the people of PA, though. Nice to see the legislature working for the people.
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    Good news indeed. The margin is also a good sign that the senate is getting the picture that the 2nd Amendment is actually relevant. I only hope that all states can get on board with this.

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    It's a good start. Now they need to expand that to include public places. In FL, it's kind of nice not having to retreat from anywhere you have a legal right to be.
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    But Sen. Lawrence Farnese, D-Philadelphia, called it "shoot first, ask questions later" legislation.

    Sen. Vincent Hughes, D-Philadelphia, said the legislation would create a "Wild West" atmosphere on Pennsylvania streets.
    Same old bovine excrement you can count on a liberal throwing EVERY TIME legislation like this come before a legislature.

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    Good news for sure, especially the protection from civil suits.

    What about this... Under current law, people can defend themselves without retreat in their homes. It's called the Castle Doctrine based on the notion that one's home is their castle. But outside the home, people must take steps away from an assailant before shooting in self defense.

    Does it mean that taking 2 or 3 steps back before shooting the dirtbag will be required?
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    That is great news.
    That "first obligation to retreat" never made any common sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    It's a good start. Now they need to expand that to include public places. In FL, it's kind of nice not having to retreat from anywhere you have a legal right to be.
    I think you misread that. Our law right now says we have a duty to retreat if we can in complete safety. This bill if passed will remove that language and gives us a "Stand Your Ground" everywhere outside the home as well.

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    Though we're next door neighbors, Jersey is a world away from PA when it comes to self-defense and 2A issues.
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    But Sen. Lawrence Farnese, D-Philadelphia, called it "shoot first, ask questions later" legislation.
    If they can prove it removes justifiability from anyone, they'll have something to say. Otherwise, it's typical misdirection.

    Sen. Vincent Hughes, D-Philadelphia, said the legislation would create a "Wild West" atmosphere on Pennsylvania streets.
    Despite the fact it hasn't created any such thing anywhere else it has been implemented. And why is that? Because upstanding citizens are not the threat, and they're not going to magically sprout devil's horns the moment this legislation's ink is dry.
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    GO PA.! Long overdue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Despite the fact it hasn't created any such thing anywhere else it has been implemented. And why is that? Because upstanding citizens are not the threat, and they're not going to magically sprout devil's horns the moment this legislation's ink is dry.
    Keep in mind that the naysayers are from Philly, whose government is apparently okay with people with weapons who stand outside polling places and intimidate people into voting democratic. Too many armed law-abiding citizens may prevent that from happening in the future- so they're looking out for their own best interests. :-P
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