NRA/ILA Opposes Obama BATF Nomination......

NRA/ILA Opposes Obama BATF Nomination......

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    Cool NRA/ILA Opposes Obama BATF Nomination......

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    This is not good. Tarver has no business anywhere near that position. I hope something gets done to turn that around.
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    Even if the Anointed One uses his recess appointment authority will the new senate be able to remove tarver from office when they reconvene the same way they removed Bolton from the UN.
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    This won't be the last of the Obama tricks. The next two years is going to amount to nothing but wheel spinning in the white house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
    This won't be the last of the Obama tricks. The next two years is going to amount to nothing but wheel spinning in the white house.
    He really does not want to get re-elected, does he?
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    Nothing good can come of this nomination. ATF will be the law enforcement arm that the government will use to go door-to-door if (and when) our 2nd Amendment rights are violated by the regime.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....ed-to-head-atf

    Rather than wait for the new Congress to be installed in January, President Obama decided to press forward for the Senate confirmation of Andrew Traver for Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). As pro-Second Amendment scholar David Kopel pointed out, “The Second Amendment had a great night on [election day]. Across the nation, the right to arms is stronger than ever, and the stage has been set for constructive reforms in 2011. [In the] U.S. Senate: The net result of Tuesday was a gain of +6 votes on Second Amendment issues…. In not a single U.S. Senate seat did the gun control lobby gain ground.”

    Traver was selected for the post back in August, but the announcement was made on Tuesday after the election results were finalized, and the day after the start of the 111th Congress’ lame-duck session. Traver joined the ATF as a special agent in Chicago in 1987 after a stint in the Navy, and has served as a special agent of the Chicago Field Division of the ATF since 2004.

    The bureau’s history reaches back to 1886 where the agency was part of the U.S. Treasury Department, but grew substantial legs in 1968 after the Gun Control Act was passed. Following the 9/11 attacks, the ATF was transferred to the Justice Department, where it “regulates via licensing the sale, possession and transportation of firearms, ammunition and explosives in interstate commerce.” The bureau has a budget exceeding $1 billion annually and employs 5,000 including 2,400 special agents.

    Special agents have the broadest authority of any federal agency, with the power to “enforce any statute in the United States Code. Specifically, ATF special agents have [the] lead investigative authority on any federal crime committed with a firearm,” and while the agency may cooperate with other federal agencies, it is free to operate independently of any of them.

    Traver’s most obvious link to those opposed to Second Amendment rights is through his “Summit Membership” in the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP). Following their Great Lakes States Summit on Gun Violence in April of 2007, the IACP published its report “Taking a Stand: Reducing Gun Violence in Our Communities.” Included in its many recommendations were the following:

    - Establish a “best practices" protocol for voluntary gun surrender programs
    - Destroy all firearms that come into the possession of any law enforcement agency (even if such firearms were initially stolen and then recovered)
    - Track and follow all private gun sales in a national data base with a mandatory background check on the purchaser
    - Limit the sale of “multiple handguns”
    - Mandate a “ballistic fingerprint” for every gun that is sold
    - Require that every gun come with a lock
    - Require that every owner provide for a federally regulated “safe storage” for his weapons, and “prosecute those who fail to comply with [those] safe storage laws.”
    - Enact legislation “to allow federal health and safety oversight of the firearms industry.”

    Most chillingly, recommendation #22 was: “The federal government should increase funding to the ATF for personnel and technical assistance to combat gun violence.”

    Executive director for the National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) Chris Cox investigated the IACP after their “summit” and discovered it had been funded by the left-wing Joyce Foundation.

    That’s a familiar name to longtime readers. The Joyce Foundation has pumped tens of millions of dollars into the coffers of gun ban groups over the years. The Violence Policy Center (VPC), an unashamed promoter of a total ban on guns, collected more than $1 million of Joyce money….

    The IACP newsletter proudly notes that the Joyce Foundation has made more than $30 million in grants to groups seeking public health solutions that offer the promise of reducing gun deaths and injuries in America.

    Some of those beneficiaries of the Joyce Foundation include Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition, Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan Network, the Indiana Partnership to Prevent Firearm Violence, the Legal Community Against Violence, and the Violence Policy Center.

    With Traver’s public support of the IACP and his tacit acknowledgement of the funding behind it, it should be no surprise that President Obama has selected him to take the reins at the ATF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornelius View Post
    He really does not want to get re-elected, does he?
    I'm just sitting here, wondering. Isn't he aware that what he is doing is going to come back to haunt him on election day? Or, worse yet, does he think it will not, and why not?

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    If you haven't sent a letter/email, yet -- check out:

    http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/a...SS=Take+Action

    There is history on the issue and a pre-written email for you to send which goes automatically to your Senators, or you can generate a letter to mail.
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    Yeah this is going on over at GOA.

    This needs heralded in every form of media across the nation. I'll reserve my political thoughts for a more relevant forum, but this chicanery and deceipt sickens me as it is the antithesis of what our country is.

    Don't hope for something to happen as was stated above. Be the change you wish to see. Hope and inaction are exactly what has allowed this treason to take place in the first place.
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    If it is ok to disarm legal citizens to reduce crime, then doesn't it stand to disband the military to prevent war?

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    I sent the letter, being I'm in NJ I got the response I expected and have received in the past. Basically, "I understand your concerns, here is a list of good the person has done. " My representatives never vote against the president.

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    "O" is a lame duck and he knows it. Expect a lot more spite stuff to be forth coming.

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    New information

    http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com...es-traver.html

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    In what should come as no surprise to anyone, the International Association of Chiefs of Police announced their endorsement of Andrew Traver to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. The announcement was made on Thursday, December 2nd.

    Given his membership in the organization and his past involvement with their gun control efforts and conferences, you would have expected them to announce this over two weeks ago when Traver was nominated to fill the position. It makes you wonder if they were waiting for the furor to die down so they could sneak this in under the radar.
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    In over 40 years of law-enforcement service I have never felt that the IACP has ever spoken for me or was ever concerned about the rank and file officers. They are now and have always been concerned with the political winds of change an photo opportunities with their local politicos. Just my $.02.
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    +10 on that OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmilchman View Post
    My representatives never vote against the president.
    Ditto, for the most part. Though I refuse to call them "my" representatives, as they do nothing to represent me.

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