Does "gun control" = "racism" or "prejudice"?

Does "gun control" = "racism" or "prejudice"?

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    Does "gun control" = "racism" or "prejudice"?

    Lott makes the case that gun ownership is more beneficial for minorities.

    If you buy this, could gun control be considered racism?

    It's not a case of saying slaves can't have guns and everyone else can.

    It's more of a particular demographic in favor of no one having a right that is not (or less) beneficial to them but is very benefical to another demographic.

    Extreme examples of this are Rosie O'Donnell and Mayor Daley. They're not worried about self defense for everyone because they've taken care of themselves.
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    I would say it is not necessarily racial discrimination as economic discrimination. When states draw criteria for "safe" weapons that are allowed to be sold they generally exclude the lowest priced weapons. So people with lower income levels who tend to live in areas with higher crime rates, and have less disposable income, are no longer able to legally purchase suitable weapons for self defense.
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    NC has a lot of leeway in issuing Pistol Purchase Permits and some laws against carrying at parades and funerals that are likely throw backs to racially based law. Definitely predates CCW and was not dealt with properly. The permits are $5 each, and involve 2 trips to the Sheriff's dept, so it may be more difficult for some folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    I would say it is not necessarily racial discrimination as economic discrimination. When states draw criteria for "safe" weapons that are allowed to be sold they generally exclude the lowest priced weapons. So people with lower income levels who tend to live in areas with higher crime rates, and have less disposable income, are no longer able to legally purchase suitable weapons for self defense.
    I totally agree. Governments tend to make "firearm ownership" through legislation, taxes and complicated firearm registration procedures a privilege rather than a right of the people of a nation for self-defense and survival. When a government imposes legislation and taxes to restrict the purchasing of firearms, usually the lower class is the one that suffers the most since they cannot purchase the firearms due to their high cost and they are the most exposed to violence since they live in the most dangerous neighborhoods where police coverage is limited and they have few resources to be able to afford expensive services such as private security, bodyguards, surveillance cameras and alarm systems. Therefore, the government would impose a "survival of the fittest" society where people can only defend themselves if they have enough money. The sad thing is that the same politicians that advocate gun control are in a comfort zone where they feel extremely safe and don't see the need to own firearms because they live in upscale gated communities with hefty security, quick police response and sophisticated surveillance systems. Some of them are even protected by police escorts, ride in bulletproof vehicles and have armed bodyguards. Therefore, it is very ironic that they live securely thanks to armed personnel but they believe that disarming the people is the way to solve crime. I wonder what they would advocate if their legislation included the disarm of their bodyguards and private security officers.

    A good example of this issue is the UK. They prohibited all self-defense firearms and are in the process of banning hunting firearms. The result was an increase in gun violence which affected mainly the lower class. The only ones that feel safe are politicians, well known civilians with government contacts and celebrities that due to their "celebrity status" are allowed to own guns for self-defense. Therefore, one can conclude that gun control = social and economic discrimination to the lower and middle classes.
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    Some people truly,it seems,think that police are the only ones who should carry and if you give up your possessions nobody gets hurt.But what if someone really wants to kill you,or they want your wife,son,or daughter.Now what do you do,oh unarmed one?

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    Does "gun control" = "racism" or "prejudice"?
    I believe it's certainly pre-judgment of a person's character and potential, believing he or she to be a credible threat and the only way to ensure "safety" is to disarm the person, forcibly if need be, by dictating places that are off-limits, methods of travel that are off-limits, certain types of gatherings that are off-limits. Sure, the goal is to keep armed criminals from our midst. But it fails on all counts, since (a) criminals ignore these laws and regulations just like any other, (b) all upstanding people adhering to such laws are left largely without effective means of defense. Since they fail to achieve the primary goal, such laws are pointless to keep ... and yet, they're kept. The reason can only be prejudice and control.
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    Does "gun control" = "racism" or "prejudice"?
    "Gun control" screws the people as a whole. In many ways it's screwed all of us. Racist or prejudiced need to be put in more simpler terms other than one saying things that are politically incorrect and against the law. "Gun control" may very well be defined as an attack on everyone's rights, and at the same time single out those with seemingly less power to make a viable argument. We might surmise that 'power' constitutes financial means. That's as wrong as human slavery was and still is. In America...everyone is equal. "Gun control" is a fallacy and the powers that be might as well look to a different venue in putting the masses under their thumb. No matter who we are, no matter what color we are, no matter what we believe or have faith in....................gun control affects us all. Our true colors are red. white, and blue. Time to quit thinking in the ways they want you to...and start thinking on your own. "Gun control" doesn't exist unless we let it.

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    Washington State's concealed carry laws came into being out of fear of the Black Panthers. Specifically enacted to prevent them from carrying. So I would consider that racist.

    I also think that Lotts opinion is valid. Who needs a gun more than those who live in high crime areas and those who are targets for hate crimes in addition to all the other reasons people are violently attacked.

    That said gun control laws screw us all and serve only to aid and abet rapists, robbers, murders. As well as empower the government to do as they see fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongRider View Post
    Washington State's concealed carry laws came into being out of fear of the Black Panthers. Specifically enacted to prevent them from carrying. So I would consider that racist.
    Reagan signed some laws after the Black Panthers carried shotguns into the Legislative Building in order to intimidate the legislators for some reason.

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    Not so much racism any more as classism. A number of people think owning any sort of gun should be a privilege of the nobility/gentry/upper class, not so much for the violence as for the status.

    Related, we are all aware of how the punks in the slums, no matter the ethnic group, think they are hot stuff if they get a "gat", or whatever they are calling guns these days. Status due to owning something that only high status people "can" possess.

    Making gun control similar to the sumptuary laws of old, when people could not wear velvets or lace unless they were above a certain social status level.

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