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    Could well be the first time some of these yahoos have ever read/heard the Constitution. I know that many are lawyers and that they should have studied it in law school, but they sure don't act like they did. At the very least it is a nice refresher and they no longer will be able to play the "I did not know" card. Time will tell what sticks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    While it may be "theater" it sure beats the liberal drama of walking all over the document being read.

    Perhaps reading the Constitution can serve as a reminder that there are ideals that need to be upheld and there are things greater than ourselves.

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    This country and her government have to start somewhere in changing the direction it is headed into and "theater" or not and I think not, it is a positive first step.

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    I suppose some might think "The Gettysburg Address" was theater also.
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    If those who are reading it honestly believe that the words can be freely interpreted to fit any agenda it means nothing. The words have no value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    What makes you think any of them will pay attention to the part about limited powers. There are plenty of parts from which expansive powers can be and have been and will be derived.

    Again, just theater.

    One time the late Sen. Byrd who walked around with a copy in his coat pocket tried to get Sept. 17, to be a day on which all Federal employees would be required to spend some time getting formal training on the constitution.

    Found somewhere on the web: "Attention Federal Government Employees

    Many federal agencies include a free copy of the pocket-size guide “The U.S. Constitution & Fascinating Facts About It” in their training and new employee on-boarding materials to comply with the new federal regulation requiring the development of educational programming to celebrate Constitution Day on September 17th of each year"

    I guess The House is just doing on its opening session for new members nothing more than what it requires of employees.
    BTW, I know where I worked we never got the required annual educational programs.
    I dont think my opinion will generate any particular alarm to the congress as far as pointing out their limited powers and who congress actually is suppose to work for. We as a people... that may have a direct influence. My direct hope is this may be a start to take the government back to the people, for the people. I think the prior election did speak to some but not all. We have more work to do in the upcoming election. The opposition to the reading should flag the undesirables. The message is being put out for all to see. Those that oppose the reading of our constitution are being outed. I hope those become the product for distane in the movement and will be pushed out. There are many still tone deaf as they still believe they now have a new career and not sent by the people. Self serving polititions will never go away. I will not give up hope. I pray others will not either. I will never give up what can be possible. I hope you dont either. Enough said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    Think so? I believe it’s time to face the piper with open eyes in order to right many wrongs. Some may well perceive the reading as adolescent, but I think it may help reaffirm the values of a lost generation, where responsibility and promises actually meant something.
    So did the late Senator Robert Byrd. That's why Sept. 17 was designated by Congress as Constitution Day. That' why Federales are supposed to be given educational material on it each Sept. 17, though I think that doesn't actually happen.

    I have no problem with The House Reading the whole thing from the floor. My question, are any of them paying attention.

    Then, our Constitution's meaning is not the simple clear concise stuff we all like to think it is. It is complex and nuanced and there are 200 + years of case law and Congressional decisions to be taken into account.

    It is good theater. It will accomplish no more than our discussing and arguing about it here does. ZIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    Could well be the first time some of these yahoos have ever read/heard the Constitution.
    I don't doubt that. So why did the voters vote for UNEDUCATED IDIOTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I don't doubt that. So why did the voters vote for UNEDUCATED IDIOTS.
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    It's more congressional theatre. Shakespeare would be hard pressed to outdo the US congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I don't doubt that. So why did the voters vote for UNEDUCATED IDIOTS.
    Because those "UNEDUCATED IDIOTS" promised to take stuff from other people and give it to them for their vote. Politicians used to give out free whiskey to entice voters until the practice was banned. They have since switched to giving out what they have taken from others.
    Makes you wonder which is more corrupt.
    A politician buying kegs of whiskey to buy votes or same politician taking taxes from a person to buy those same votes from someone else.

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    I will continue to believe that good will overcome evil and this nation will rise up because of the hope and actions of her people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I don't doubt that. So why did the voters vote for UNEDUCATED IDIOTS.
    Good question - although I would argue that most of them are educated idiots.

    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    Because those "UNEDUCATED IDIOTS" promised to take stuff from other people and give it to them for their vote. Politicians used to give out free whiskey to entice voters until the practice was banned. They have since switched to giving out what they have taken from others.
    Makes you wonder which is more corrupt.
    A politician buying kegs of whiskey to buy votes or same politician taking taxes from a person to buy those same votes from someone else.
    ^^^This^^^. In addition, we have undone some of the founders' wisdom. Under the original Constitution (unamended, except for the BOR), one had to be a landowner to vote. I have no problems with adding women and minorities (so long as they are here legally), but I do think that those who are net receivers from the government should be disenfranchised. Only those who are net providers to the government should have a vote on how the process works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    Only those who are net providers to the government should have a vote on how the process works.
    I think you'd immediately run into some considerable difficulty deciding who is who. Are the guys who got big bonuses after taking bail out money net contributors to the government? What about all the folks who got SBA loans at better than market rates, or the people who went to school on student loans at below market rate?

    What about the guy who owns a company which builds roads and who lives entirely off government contracts?

    How about the owner of a private jail, or private school, whose livelihood exists solely because of government.

    I live in a town full of people who think "the government is too big." Seven of the top ten employers are government. Everything from schools to jails to cities to various Federal functions. The others, except for communications companies are hospitals which get lots of money (and tax breaks) from government.

    K, sometimes its really hard to figure out who is the parasite and who is the host, and when the relationship is commensal.

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    K, sometimes its really hard to figure out who is the parasite and who is the host, and when the relationship is commensal.
    Very true. Many of the married people I used to work with got back more at the end of the year than they actually paid in to the federal government during the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I think you'd immediately run into some considerable difficulty deciding who is who. Are the guys who got big bonuses after taking bail out money net contributors to the government? What about all the folks who got SBA loans at better than market rates, or the people who went to school on student loans at below market rate?

    What about the guy who owns a company which builds roads and who lives entirely off government contracts?

    How about the owner of a private jail, or private school, whose livelihood exists solely because of government.

    I live in a town full of people who think "the government is too big." Seven of the top ten employers are government. Everything from schools to jails to cities to various Federal functions. The others, except for communications companies are hospitals which get lots of money (and tax breaks) from government.

    K, sometimes its really hard to figure out who is the parasite and who is the host, and when the relationship is commensal.
    Hopyard - you are right, it is tricky. Let me clarify my position a bit better as I was not totally clear. If you are earning money from the government (employee, contractor, supplier, etc.) that would not count against you. If, however, you are receiving funds that were not earned (welfare, farm subsidies [controversial I know], getting more back than you put into the taxation system as mlr1m noted, other government gimmies that are not a result of labor), you are disenfranchised. Otherwise it is like letting the inmates run the prison.
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    Sounds good on papaer, problem is, that paper is going to have $3.7 billion in earmarks and pork fat attached to it before they sign off on it. But we can hope for the best, right?
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