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    Question Could this ever happen here?

    Saw this on another site and thought it was worth sharing with y'all.

    Question Could this ever happen here? (Long Read)
    I hope that you see the validity of this read, especially with the recent events in Arizona.

    You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
    Half-awake, nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
    At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
    With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike,
    you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.
    One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside..

    As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
    In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless.
    Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells
    you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter. "What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask. "Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven." The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

    The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero. Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.
    After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

    A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict
    you of all charges. The judge sentences you to life in prison.

    This case really happened.
    On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one
    burglar and wounded a second.
    In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term. How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

    It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

    This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons
    and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a
    license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only
    handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

    Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by
    private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

    Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
    Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man
    with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.
    When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

    The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control",
    demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned
    handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

    Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a
    semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public

    For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable
    or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up
    law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up
    all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The
    Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms
    still owned by private citizens.

    During the years in which the British government incrementally took away
    most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed
    self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant
    gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was
    no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or
    robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

    Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
    "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

    All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several
    elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no
    fear of the consequences... Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had
    seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars..

    When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given
    three months to turn them over to local authorities.

    Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't
    were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they
    didn't comply.

    Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private

    How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

    Socialism: A great Idea...'til you run out of other people's money. Margaret Thatcher

    "A man without a gun is a subject, a man with a gun is a citizen."
    ~Ted Nugent

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    I don't think it could happen here. We would fight it much harder than they did over there. To the death if need be.
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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    The British took the long way around banning guns and I'm surprised our politicians have not picked up on it. Just make self defense illegal and then the guns don't matter as the laws don't effect criminals anyway.
    "I do what I do." Cpl 'coach' Bowden, "Southern Comfort".

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    could it happen here? Yes... which is why it is so important to fight to keep the rights our forefathers bestowed to this ungrateful country through the blood of the brave men that fought the tyrannical British government. Unfortunately it seems many still don't get it... as Mr. Beck said best...

    "we sit idly by and watch as our hard-won freedoms slowly dissolve into a puddle of apathy, political correctness, and outright corruption"
    -Glenn Beck

    They don't want to stand up and speak out... but they don't want to lose the freedoms either.
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    Interesting and compelling read.

    I wonder if they had their own version of the NRA or the political action arm of the NRA?

    At the state level here in CA, it seems a constant battle.

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    no, not with the heller decision, but I see the heller decision being perverted to a point we are only allowed single shot long guns of a caliber deemed appropriate by the .gov and many fees and permits and hoops to own such a weapon.....

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    From the British Bill of rights 1689
    "no royal interference in the freedom of the people to have arms for their own defence as suitable to their class and as allowed by law "

    Completely negated by parliament. They should have revolted, as we did, when parliament attempted to disarm us in the 1760ties. Oh well they'll never get there rights back. Those who still believe they have a right to defend themselves will need to immigrate to the former (lower 13) colonies.

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    Very interesting read, thanks for posting. This could happen in the US unless we stand up for our SA rights.

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    Yes, it certainly could happen here. And it WILL happen here, if we don't stay alert and keep fighting. There are going to be more high profile murders, watch for them and jump in the discussions. FAST.

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    The price of freedom is ever vigilance. But along with the vigilance comes participation and action. Ever vigilance is merely watching it happen. A lot has been accomplished while we have sat idly by and watched it happen.

    I think that has changed. At least for the time being. Americans are presently awake, and have Congress under a microscope. We showed them we will stand up and vote when necessary. Hopefully that will slow their progress in chipping away at our rights a little at a time.

    But, we need to be warned that the only reason we are awake and watching and voted with such fury is because the far left radicals over reached and tried to do too much, too fast. Had they just quietly kept whittling away a little bit at a time, they would have been much farther down the road.

    We have more election cycles we must participate in to accomplish cleaning out the old guard of Congress. We have several more election cycles we must participate in if we which to turn back from this last overstep the Congress pushed on us.

    What happened in Great Britain most certainly can happen here. They have been inching in that direction for decades. So far we have slowed and mitigated their attempts at total control. But they will never stop trying, and we must remain actively engaged in stopping the assaults on our liberties and not merely watching it take place.

    I think America is awake and on the job... For the time being. The danger is when people get tired of keeping engaged and outraged. It does wear a person down. And that is their strategy.
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    "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."

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    It happens here in one form or another with some considerable regularity. In certain cities, e.g., NY in particular, it has been quite a recurring thing that someone who used a gun for SD was arrested. The argument was that it was illegal to own the gun in the first place.

    Will it happen across the US as a general matter. Probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    But, we need to be warned that the only reason we are awake and watching and voted with such fury is because the far left radicals over reached and tried to do too much, too fast. Had they just quietly kept whittling away a little bit at a time, they would have been much farther down the road.
    You have that exactly right. They moved too fast and gave the game away to those who were not paying attention.

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