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    Thumbs up Wall Street Journal article on AZ shooting and Gun Control...

    Great, well thought-out article :


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

    (Sorry if this may have already been posted, but the Defensive Carry search engine keeps coming back with "The following words are either very common, too long, or too short and were not included in your search: "wall street journal"", so I can't really tell.)

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    Its nice to see a little logic applied to the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will B. Droopy View Post
    Great, well thought-out article :


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

    (Sorry if this may have already been posted, but the Defensive Carry search engine keeps coming back with "The following words are either very common, too long, or too short and were not included in your search: "wall street journal"", so I can't really tell.)

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    And including this one, which would help to stop the criminal trafficker: "And extending background checks to cover private gun transfers might also block gun acquisition by ordinary criminals, even if they are ineffective against deranged and powerfully motivated mass killers. " Though likely not popular on these pages, THAT would potentially ease many problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamlet View Post
    And including this one, which would help to stop the criminal trafficker: "And extending background checks to cover private gun transfers might also block gun acquisition by ordinary criminals, even if they are ineffective against deranged and powerfully motivated mass killers. " Though likely not popular on these pages, THAT would potentially ease many problems.
    Given that most guns used in crimes were stolen, either by the criminal who last uses it or when it entered the underworld, I doubt that these checks would accomplish much.
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    How can you regulate private transfers if you don't have a registry (like we do in NY)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastk9dad View Post
    How can you regulate private transfers if you don't have a registry (like we do in NY)?
    You make it illegal and if a gun is used in a crime and not reported stolen, the last recorded purchaser has a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksholder View Post
    You make it illegal and if a gun is used in a crime and not reported stolen, the last recorded purchaser has a problem.
    Right, but AFAIK the 4473's only need to be kept by the FFL's for 20 years. So if the gun is over 20 years old then how do they find out the original purchaser if the dealer purged his records?

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    All of this controversy abounding because of the AZ shooting.

    And extending background checks to cover private gun transfers might also block gun acquisition by ordinary criminals, even if they are ineffective against deranged and powerfully motivated mass killers.
    Again, extending background checks to private transfers will not prevent even ordinary (if there is such a thing) criminals. All it will do is create more statutory criminals, i.e. mala prohibita. It does nothing to prevent violent crimes.

    Using recent events as a guide, the perpetrator passed a background check, thus proving that such things only give more power to the governing, rather than the governed.

    Isn't it ironic that the states with the most restrictions and regulations on deadly weapons, are the most deadly, violent places? Such places have a reputation for being infested with criminals.

    The very premise of background checks are bogus. It labels the applicant 'guilty until proven innocent'. They must prove they are innocent before they are allowed to purchase tools with which to defend their lives.

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    Back to the article...

    Yes, it is well thought out and argued, and it is good to see that type of logic in a mainstram newspaper. Although the WSJ is not the most liberal of newspapers, it is heartening to know that they will at least publish alternative vierwpoints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will B. Droopy View Post
    Great, well thought-out article. l
    Gary Kleck usually makes some very logical arguments.
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    Here's some info for those talking about crime gun, theft is bottom of means of acquisition. Seen similar info other places.

    OK back to the snow shovel.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal Online
    There is strong empirical evidence showing that the use of guns for self-protection is both frequent and effective.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal Online
    Victims who use guns for defense in crime incidents are less likely to be injured or lose property than otherwise similar victims who either do nothing to resist or adopt other self-protection strategies.
    Two very powerful and relevant statements you hardly ever see when people propose more gun restrictions. Of course the article was written by Prof. Gary Kleck, so there you go.

    Good article. I'm glad it was published.
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    I especially liked this line.

    A journalist finally catches on to what we all know...

    In any case, it is far-fetched to think that a person set on mass murder would refrain from carrying a concealed gun to the scene of a crime because it's illegal to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xader View Post

    A journalist finally catches on to what we all know...
    The author of the article is not a journalist.

    He is a Criminologist and Professor at Florida State University and has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes, on suicides, gun accidents, the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence, the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims as well as many other studies.
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