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    Angry Article From buxmontnews.com

    In light of the Arizona shooting Jan. 8, Hatboro Mayor Norm Hawkes reiterated his stance on gun control at Monday’s borough council meeting.

    “The mayor is against guns,” Hawkes said, and then read a letter drafted by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a coalition in which Hawkes is one of 550 members, addressed to President Obama and Congress.

    “In Tucson and Virginia Tech, the killers should have been barred from buying guns, but their records were not in the background check database as they should have been,” Hawkes read, and continued that the Columbine High School shooters “went around the system by getting their guns through a purchase from an unlicensed seller at a gun show.”

    “The system is flawed. We need the president and Congress to fix the system,” Hawkes said, noting that Congress needs to take two steps to fix the background check system: “Ensure the names of all the people who should be prohibited from buying a gun are in the system; and close the loopholes in the background check system by requiring a background check for every gun sale — no matter who the seller is, and no matter where it takes place.”

    In 1968, following the shootings of Martin Luther King Jr. and Sen. Robert Kennedy, Congress passed the Gun Control Act, which “barred felons, the mentally ill, drug abusers and other dangerous people under federal law from possessing guns,” Hawkes said.

    But since 1968, Hawkes said, 400,000 Americans have been murdered with guns — 34 Americans each day.

    “We can’t wait for yet another tragedy before we do something about this. Together, we can honor those we have lost by making sure we do something to prevent another tragedy from happening again,” Hawkes read from the letter.

    Prior to the meeting, Hawkes distributed a petition from the coalition to each member of council, except for Vice President Nancy Guenst.

    Councilman Vincent LaSorsa thanked Hawkes for sending him the petition and said he already signed it and sent it.

    Hawkes said he did not give one to Guenst because “she doesn’t agree with what they’re trying to do,” in reference to the Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

    “She thinks they’re trying to take guns away from law abiding citizens, but [the coalition] supports the Second Amendment.”

    Republished with the permission of The Public Spirit/Globe Times Chronicle


    Not a huge fan of this article at all...


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    "But since 1968, Hawkes said, 400,000 Americans have been murdered with guns — 34 Americans each day."

    That's less than the 38 killed per day due to drunk driving and I don't see any meaningful movement to ban alcohol.
    2008 figures: http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-dr...tatistics.html

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    How many laws already exist to ban the "legal" sale of guns to the non-law abiding? Let's add a few more just for our safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    How many laws already exist to ban the "legal" sale of guns to the non-law abiding? Let's add a few more just for our safety.
    I'll take that as sarcasm.

    Hawkes doesn't want to let the so-called "mentally unstable" people purchase guns and that's something I agree with. BUT who's in control of deciding whether or not someone is "unstable"? The Feds? That'd be going in the wrong direction - moving towards anyone the government considers a "threat" can no longer purchase a weapon. (like the Tea-Partiers)

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    Taking suicides out of the equation, as well as legal intervention deaths, firearms account for less than .7% of deaths in this country. it is amazing what people can do with stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Taking suicides out of the equation, as well as legal intervention deaths, firearms account for less than .7% of deaths in this country. it is amazing what people can do with stats.
    Reminds me of that old saying " Figures can lie and liars can figure".

    We all must stay in touch with our Senators and Representatives and let them know we oppose more gun laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coltman 77 View Post
    Reminds me of that old saying " Figures can lie and liars can figure".

    We all must stay in touch with our Senators and Representatives and let them know we oppose more gun laws.

    If you aren't already an NRA member now is the time to join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc1103 View Post
    “In Tucson and Virginia Tech, the killers should have been barred from buying guns, but their records were not in the background check database as they should have been,” Hawkes read, and continued that the Columbine High School shooters “went around the system by getting their guns through a purchase from an unlicensed seller at a gun show.”

    I have a question. Exactly how does he propose that 3 people with no existing criminal record be barred from buying a gun? Without barring me?

    Never mind, I'm introducing rational questions into and emotional outburst. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Taking suicides out of the equation, as well as legal intervention deaths, firearms account for less than .7% of deaths in this country. it is amazing what people can do with stats.
    Let's not forget the ones where the shooter was in illegal possession (under aged, felon, the basic ones that will fail a 4473 so it was a street purchase/stolen...usually both) that killed another that was also in illegal possession under the same guidelines. READ - gangbanger vs. gangbanger, mob vs. mob, drug dealer vs. drug dealer.... I'm guessing better than 3/4 of the 400k.

    I have yet to see actual numbers where an otherwise Legal citizen, used a properly purchased firearm, and killed another innocent.
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