Missouri Senate Passes Comprehensive Firearm Reform Bill

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    Thumbs up Missouri Senate Passes Comprehensive Firearm Reform Bill

    House Bill 294 now heads to the House for Concurrence

    Today, the state Senate passed House Bill 294 by a 27 to 6 vote in an effort to bring vital reforms to Missouriís law-abiding gun owners.

    It not a done deal yet but it looks like Governor Jay Nixon will sign the bill into law.

    This bill address 6 major firearms reforms including lowering the concealed carry age minimum from 23 to 21.

    Read about it here:

    www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6767


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    • Enable members of the General Assembly and their staff who possess valid concealed carry endorsements to carry a firearm for self-defense in the Capitol.

    I think this last point is the real reason this bill was introduced. If they are allowed to cc in the Capitol, why would any other citizen who legally cc's be restricted from doing so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    • Enable members of the General Assembly and their staff who possess valid concealed carry endorsements to carry a firearm for self-defense in the Capitol.

    I think this last point is the real reason this bill was introduced. If they are allowed to cc in the Capitol, why would any other citizen who legally cc's be restricted from doing so?
    Because they are "regular taxpayers"




    I do not mean to hijack this thread, but Florida's HB 517 says something similar to that too:

    Bill No. CS/CS/HB 517
    Amendment No. 606859
    606859

    Line 99, h0517c2:
    _h0517c2


    Bill History: House Bill 0517 (2011) - The Florida Senate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    • Enable members of the General Assembly and their staff who possess valid concealed carry endorsements to carry a firearm for self-defense in the Capitol.

    I think this last point is the real reason this bill was introduced. If they are allowed to cc in the Capitol, why would any other citizen who legally cc's be restricted from doing so?
    Hiram.

    Besides being an FFL, I am a Licensed Architect. Over the years I have designed many Government office buildings, Police Stations, Jails and court houses. In large court house court rooms and in City/County Council rooms, it has been standard practice to design the judges bench and city/county council benches with class 3 ballistic fiberglass embedded in the wood work. We have also designed some high risk court rooms with class 3 Lexan screens to separate the spectator areas from the court and jury
    (Class 3 will stop a .357 mag.). We still design for safety and security but these days most judges, prosecutors and sheriffs (bailiffs) are allowed by law to carry a handgun.

    This is normally not true for city councilmen, mayors, State House or Senate representatives. They are generally not held to the same high standards as judges and law enforcement. The laws are slowly changing.

    There was a case in a suburb near my city, only a few years ago, where a man with a long time beef with the city council walked up to the front door of City Hall, Shot the police guard at the front entrance. He then entered the city council room and one by one shot 5 council members and the mayor at near point blank range. One of the councilmen killed was a personal friend of mine.

    The incident happened very quickly. It is very difficult to predict if the out come would have been different if the mayor and councilmen had been able to be armed. One policeman was killed and another was wounded before they killed the deranged assailant. Not even the police guards expected what happened. They did not react, at least not in time. Reporters who were covering the council meeting said most did not realize what was happening. When they did, their natural raction was to duck under tables or run for exit doors. By then, the shooting was over.
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    Well, under the theory that an armed society is a polite society, this could have a chilling impact on rabid partisanship in the statehouse. May not be as bad as we thought.

    OTOH, I can see the lead article above the fold now.

    Special Elections to be Held in 6 Weeks

    Jefferson City - Members of the state House of Representatives were interrupted yesterday by a man thought to be carrying a rifle. Members from both sides of the aisle opened fire and 39 red bullets found Democrat members while 47 blue bullets found Republican members. While the house members were allowed to concealed carry, there was no requirement for ongoing training. When the shooting started, the frightened citizen, who was carrying an umbrella, hit the deck. As a result, when the shooting stopped, the umbrella toting citizen and 2 independent members of the House were the only ones on the floor left standing. Special elections will be held in 6 weeks to select new members to fill all the seats vacated by the deceased House members. The guy with the umbrella stated that he took a wrong turn looking for the bathroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGP250 View Post
    ... It is very difficult to predict if the out come would have been different if the mayor and councilmen had been able to be armed..
    As with regular-citizens carrying firearms it would all depend upon the training, awareness and mindset of the mayor and councilmen. Clearly the guards, whom everyone would expect to have the necessary training, awareness and mindset to deal with such an event did not. To a first approximation it seems unlikely that simply allowing the mayor and councilmen to be armed would have made a major difference.

    I think the same would be true for house and senate members and staff.

    It's not having a gun that really makes the difference, it's whether a person is mentally/emotionally a sheep or a survivalist, has prepared appropriately, and maintains him/herself in a ready state. These are not things that most people do: particularly not those who count on others (staff, guards, etc.) to act on their behalf.
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