Federal judge rules against Calif. gun advocates

Federal judge rules against Calif. gun advocates

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    Federal judge rules against Calif. gun advocates

    A federal judge ruled Monday there is no constitutional right to carry a hidden gun in public a decision that dealt a setback to gun-rights advocates who had challenged how much discretion California law enforcement officials have in issuing concealed weapons permits.

    U.S. District Court Judge Morrison England Jr. in Sacramento supported a policy by Yolo County Sheriff Ed Prieto that says applicants must have a reason, such as a safety threat, to legally carry a concealed weapon in his county northwest of Sacramento.


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    actually this could turn out to be a good thing because it probably will appealed and it would be in the 9th which is known to be very liberal (they will probably uphold the decision) and their more controversial decisions wind up at the supreme court, it could turn out well for 2A supporters

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    actually this could turn out to be a good thing because it probably will appealed and it would be in the 9th which is known to be very liberal (they will probably uphold the decision) and their more controversial decisions wind up at the supreme court, it could turn out well for 2A supporters
    Yes, particularly because the CA legislature is about to outlaw unloaded open carry. The judge specifically referred to the existence of UOC as the reason it's okay for county sheriffs to routinely deny concealed carry permits - because the alternative of UOC exists (despite the reality of police harrassment, false arrests, etc).

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    By that line of thinking, would the legislative outlaw of UOC eliminate that alternative, mandating less restrictive permit issuance?
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    It's more about the "shall issue" ..... vs total Sheriff discretion. IF there is not a spelled out policy as to what is "good cause", then it's open to discriminate as to what and how what applies to different people. It will get over-turned. It's a discriminatory practice. It's not about "rights" , other than the "right" to not get discriminated against by the Sheriff because you didn't donate to his re-election or aren't a brother-in-law.

    All of it has to be applied "equally " to all people. And, it isn't.

    They just tried to expand it by implying it was about the "right to conceal carry" , and that's not what the argument should be about at all, nor is it in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rogers View Post
    A federal judge ruled Monday there is no constitutional right to carry a hidden gun in public —
    Which leaves Open Carry, which they hate.

    "Regulating concealed firearms is an essential part of Yolo County's efforts to maintain public safety and prevent both gun-related crime and, most importantly, the death of its citizens. Yolo County's policy is more than rationally related to these legitimate government goals," England wrote.

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    Wonder how this is working out for them? The criminals must be using something besides a gun, since they are illegal to conceal.
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    Yeah but unfortunately by the time it hits the Supremes, Obama will have appointed another liberal member judge tilting the balance to the left.


    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    actually this could turn out to be a good thing because it probably will appealed and it would be in the 9th which is known to be very liberal (they will probably uphold the decision) and their more controversial decisions wind up at the supreme court, it could turn out well for 2A supporters
    One more step and it's on!

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