Are Bartenders in Ohio Dumber than Bartenders in Virginia...
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Post By gasmitty
June 8th, 2011 07:03 PM
Are Bartenders in Ohio Dumber than Bartenders in Virginia...
...Or is it just reporters trying to kill a potential bill in Ohio that will allow concealed carriers to enter a bar or eatery that serves alcohol, but not consume adult beverages???
Bartenders don't see how new concealed-carry gun law will work | The Columbus Dispatch
Bartenders likely won't have time to determine whether a customer who is ordering alcohol is packing a gun.
That's the sentiment of some central Ohio bartenders after the Ohio Senate and House recently approved versions of a bill allowing concealed-carry permit holders to take guns into bars, restaurants and open-air arenas as long as they don't drink alcohol.
The two legislative branches still must reconcile differing versions of their bills. The new law also would allow establishments the option of posting their own signs that would prohibit guns inside.
Now, I don't believe bartenders in Ohio are dumb people...I think this reporter doesn't understand the legislation and thus asked the wrong question...
As in Virginia, where we have the same law, it's not up to the bartender to determine if someone ordering a drink is carrying...in fact, in an email to the reporter, I pointed out that these same bartenders are currently serving people who are carrying a weapon concealed...but right now they are criminals, not people who carry legally...
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June 8th, 2011 07:45 PM
The news at least here in the Columbus area has been making this out to be a negative thing so much as calling it a bar carry bill. They don't see places Luke Applebees and the bbq place around the corner. The news has got it all messed up.
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June 8th, 2011 10:03 PM
At least the legislators in Minnesota had the common-sense to allow for no more than a .04 BAC when carrying a firearm. While trusting the lawful citizens to carry a firearm by permit, they allow for straight-thinkers to use their smarts to either opt out of the festivities or to have a beer with dinner.
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June 8th, 2011 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by justherenow
Anyway, Ohio bartenders are not dumb but the one or two they found for this story might be.
June 8th, 2011 10:45 PM
I think the thread should be re-named "Are Reporters in Ohio Dumber than Reporters in Virginia... "
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June 9th, 2011 03:56 AM
The media likes the conveniently forget that it is illegal under the new law to become intoxicated while carrying.
They are trying to make side-shows like this to generate negative publicity for the bill. But, if the prior votes in both the House and Senate on each of their respective bills is an indicator, they haven't dne a very good job.
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June 9th, 2011 10:54 AM
It is not only illegal to become intoxicated, it is illegal to imbibe in Ohio while carrying. There are a couple of reasons that the bill is getting the heat it is. First, the press/libs are against any firearm bill, period. They and their lobbyists are making hay while the sun shines. Second, this bill is more permissive than those in many states. It does not try to make the armed citizen determine the percentage of the business an establishment receives from alcohol. The reason the press is going with the bar carry bill moniker, is that it will, in fact allow responsible carry in a bar, not just a restaurant that happens to serve alcohol.
Originally Posted by buckeye .45
This bill is about taking responsibility for your own actions. Its about time we got back to that frame of mind.
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June 9th, 2011 11:14 AM
The liberal media does not care about "facts". Why in the world would they want to let "facts" get in the way of a "good" headline? They are against guns and the 2nd A, but sure like to scream in defence of the 1st! And it isn't just the press--the Dayton TV stations are as biased as the Dayton Daily News! I guess us people here in Ohio aren't as smart or responsible as the people in all the surrounding states that allow carrying firearms into restaurants that serve alcohol. The press gives the impression that there are going to be gun fights and drunks who shoot bartenders that refuse to serve them! Doesn't matter to them that the law says you can't drink while carrying. The reporters have seen too many grade B cowboy movies when they were kids! I guess Ohioans are not as smart or responsible as the citizens of the 40+ states that allow carry in places that serve alcohol.
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