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    DoctorBob;

    Are you in agreement with this policy statement in its entirety?
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    From "Physicians, Don't Borrow Trouble" by Joe Horn.

    To engage in Home Safety Counseling without certification, license or formal training in home safety and Risk Management and to concentrate on one small politically correct area, i.e., firearms to the neglect of ALL of the other safety issues in the modern home, is to invite a lawsuit because the safety counselor, (Physician) Knew, Could have known or Should have known that there were other dangers to the occupants of that house more immediate than firearms. Things like swimming pools, buckets of water, and chemicals in homes are involved in the death or injury of many more children than accidental firearms discharge [ Source: CDC.] Firearms are a statistically small, nearly negligible fraction of the items involved in home injuries. Physicians SHOULD know that. So, why all of a sudden do some physicians consider themselves to be firearms and home safety experts? Where is their concern for all the other home safety issues that they DON'T cover with their patients? If you are going to counsel in any aspect of home safety, you had better be certified in that subject and cover *all* aspects of home safety, not just the politically popular ones.
    Here is the bottom line-if they are only asking about guns, they have a political agenda, not a health or safety agenda.
    Want to give me advice on how to keep my children or grandchildren safe and alive? Begin with the most likely causes of death-accidental or otherwise. And firearms are way down the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob View Post
    The American College of Emergency Physicians is a practice regulating and quality oriented organization of Emergency Physicians trying to insure that physician practice is informed by science and aimed at improving patients' health. It is one of the leading professional organizations for emergency physicians. From Time to time they publish policy statements that are usually 'value oriented" comments on medical practice. I'm not sure what the discussion was on this issue but it would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall... I also don't know if any of the board are shooters.

    Firearm Injury Prevention

    [Ann Emerg Med. 2011;57:691.]

    The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP)
    deplores the improper use of firearms resulting in death and
    injury. The College supports legislative and public health efforts
    to prevent firearm-related injuries and deaths.
    ACEP endorses efforts to:

    • aggressively enforce current laws against illegal possession,
    purchase, sale, or use of firearms;

    • ensure that new firearms are rendered as safe as possible
    through regulation similar to that used for other consumer
    products;

    • decrease the threat to public safery that results from the
    widespread availability of assault weapons and high-capacity
    ammunition-feeding devices, including a ban on the sale of
    assault weapons and high-capacity magazines;

    limit the availability of firearms to those whose ability to
    responsibly handle a weapon is assured;

    • encourage the creation and evaluation of community- and
    school-based education programs targeting the prevention of
    firearm injuries;

    • educate the public about the risks of improperly stored
    firearms, especially in the home;

    • increase funding for the development, evaluation, and
    implementation of evidence-based programs and policies to
    reduce firearm-related injury and death;

    • hold individuals legally accountable for harm resulting from
    unauthorized use of firearms; and

    • work with stakeholders to develop comprehensive strategies
    to prevent firearm injury and death.


    Revised and approved by the ACEP Board of Directors
    January 2011
    ---i ask who here could they possibly be on target with?
    who would possibly send a 8 year old unsupervised to their safe which had a loaded gun in it?

    it may be that some need (additional) training and the AMA could help them.
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    "Do you think your carpal tunnel problem could be related to pushing those .45 slugs down the range? How about symptoms of lead poisoning e.g. brain, heart, lungs, gut, psych, etc. Do you think it's OK if your doctor asks if you've been exposed to gunshot residue? How did you get that burn on your neck? Hot brass? Or that superficial wound on your leg? From steel shooting?
    Anything else you want to keep hidden? Travel History, animal exposure, etc."--DoctorBob

    Doc,
    I'd probably be down with that line of questioning IF my 6yr old (at the time) was exhibiting any of those symptoms. But since this was a school enrollment checkup, and the child exhibited NO troubles,I felt the question was politically motivated. And IF the Drs. were asking the parents, NOT trying to pry this info from children.
    Now, daughter's new doc, (now that the girl is 14, she's going to the same doc as her mother), asked if my wife and I had first responder or at least cpr training. That is a line of questioning that a Dr. has training in, and therefore is qualified to hand out advice.

    dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBob

    The American College of Emergency Physicians is a practice regulating and quality oriented organization of Emergency Physicians trying to insure that physician practice is informed by science and aimed at improving patients' health. It is one of the leading professional organizations for emergency physicians. From Time to time they publish policy statements that are usually 'value oriented" comments on medical practice. I'm not sure what the discussion was on this issue but it would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall... I also don't know if any of the board are shooters.

    Firearm Injury Prevention

    [Ann Emerg Med. 2011;57:691.]

    The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP)
    deplores the improper use of firearms resulting in death and
    injury. The College supports legislative and public health efforts
    to prevent firearm-related injuries and deaths.
    ACEP endorses efforts to:

    • aggressively enforce current laws against illegal possession,
    purchase, sale, or use of firearms;

    • ensure that new firearms are rendered as safe as possible
    through regulation similar to that used for other consumer
    products;

    • decrease the threat to public safery that results from the
    widespread availability of assault weapons and high-capacity
    ammunition-feeding devices, including a ban on the sale of
    assault weapons and high-capacity magazines;

    • limit the availability of firearms to those whose ability to
    responsibly handle a weapon is assured;

    • encourage the creation and evaluation of community- and
    school-based education programs targeting the prevention of
    firearm injuries;

    • educate the public about the risks of improperly stored
    firearms, especially in the home;

    • increase funding for the development, evaluation, and
    implementation of evidence-based programs and policies to
    reduce firearm-related injury and death;

    • hold individuals legally accountable for harm resulting from
    unauthorized use of firearms; and

    • work with stakeholders to develop comprehensive strategies
    to prevent firearm injury and death.


    Revised and approved by the ACEP Board of Directors
    January 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by hamlet View Post
    They're good. Who's in favor of death by injury from anything....

    DoctorBob and Hamlet;

    On this forum, it's not often that one sees two who are in favor of the fallacious "assault rifle ban" in the same thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    DoctorBob;

    Are you in agreement with this policy statement in its entirety?
    NO. In particular, I can't get my arms around the second one. And I'm not sure what they mean by the last one. I also don't see the point about limiting high capacity magazines. It's sort of like saying knives shouldn't be too sharp... On the other hand #1 and #8 sound like a good plan.

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    " I also don't see the point about limiting high capacity magazines. It's sort of like saying knives shouldn't be too sharp... "-- DoctorBob

    brother, if someone don't grab that as a sigline, I'm gonna!!!

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    In FL it's no gag order prohibiting doctors from asking about gun in the household, it's now law! Only allowed in cases of relevancy, which to me means in mental cases or gun shot wounds.
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    Ref to comment by JDSUMNER
    I 'cured' this problem w my children's doc.
    She asked my son ( I was in the room at the time) if there were guns in the home.
    I questioned her as to whether she was certified in firearms safety, to which she said "no".
    I then told her that it sounded to me as though she were involved in the practice of handing out advice for which she had NO training, and that is considered 'malpractice'.
    Never brought up again.

    dan


    Love it!! I'll have to remember this one! Great quick thinking on your part. Kudos to you! :o)

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