What will the Plain Dealer think of next?

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    What will the Plain Dealer think of next?

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    Only 67K CCW in Ohio ?

    Ohio CCW Holders are a real minority I guess.

    Is it that difficult to get, or is CCW that unpopular of a concept there?

    (Just an Observation)




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    It's not difficult to obtain and the price of the permit is only $45 and the training is $135. Some people just don't care about the safety of themselves, love ones or the people around them. I still have to put in for mine haven't been downtown in awhile. Don't read into it I have 2 permits which alow me to carry here just not an Ohio one.
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    reportedly, it's closer to 72k licensees.

    Q1 2006 (which, iirc is not counted there, given the source cited was the 2005 report), there were apppx 5600 new licensees (and 100 revocations / 110 denials, and 37 suspensions)

    Q2's report shouold be out soon. (Yaaay, I'm part of Q1's statistic! :) )

    FYI, training can be had for as little as $60, if you look.

    Both my wife and I took ours for that price.
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    Just curious,
    my home state (Fla) has well over

    300k CCW holders
    There are over 70k in the Tampa Bay area alone.

    And I always thought that was a really low number.




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    I have had my CCW since 2004 here in Ohio. I also have a Penn. permit. The Plain Dealer is extreamly anti. CCW. I was very displeased with their publishing my name and the names of other CCW holders. I wrote the editor and cancelled my subscription. A lot of good that did. I'm not surprised at their continued biased reporting. No wonder that many were put off from getting their permits. Perhaps the new law will make things more CCW friendly in Ohio.

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    Seems the perceived hoops and hurdles put a lot of folks off - sadly too many potential CCW's are IMO not that dedicated to the cause. The more who do add to the uptake - the louder can be the voices for achieving useful change.

    I estimate 810,000 CCW's in PA currently (6.75% at last mention). Of course PA shall issue is well established and also very straightforward to obtain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadslinger
    Just curious,
    my home state (Fla) has well over

    300k CCW holders
    There are over 70k in the Tampa Bay area alone.

    And I always thought that was a really low number.



    Remember FLA has a been a carry state for over 20 years. Ohio is has only been a carry state for two years. I would expect the number to go up though not as high as FLA. When I move there in three years or so I will add my name to the list. Unfortunately it will be published in the Cleveland Communist Manfesto News, oops, I mean the Plain Dealer!

    Ohio has some laws that need to be "ironed out" such as the plain site law in a motor vehicle and local ordinances trumping state firearm laws. The battle in Ohio has not been won COMPLETLY yet. I beg you guys to check out the Ohioians for Concealed Carry website. Even if you aren't a resident an email to some of the legislators would really help. You never know, you may have to travel through the state someday.

    The Cleveland Plain Dealer is an absolute disgrace. I hate that newspaper and all that it stands for. I keep on my in-laws in NE Ohio to cancel their subscription. It is worse than my local paper the Atlanta Journal and Constitution (very anti-2nd) as far as liberal bias against the 2nd admendment. Is it just me or is NE Ohio full of a ton of sheep and ex-hippies?
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    Doc pretty much wrapped it up IMO. With the variety of laws to keep track of (city ordnances, the undefined "plain sight" law and some others) it can be difficult to keep track of what is legal. Recently I have been rather upset as everywhere I seem to go has been posted. But then I don't get out much. The library being posted isn't that big a deal since it is county property and I think that's normal. But the movie theatre we went to a few weeks ago (saw Pirates, it was OK) and a store this past weekend were all posted. The store I didn't even notice until after I had come back out of, it was having a going out of business sale which made me happy once I saw the sign. lol

    Ohio is one of those "border" states, very evenly divided between city liberals and rural conservatives.

    Noticed that little article didn't have normal strong-side belt carry.
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    I really love how, at the top of the page, the graphic is indexed and linked as 1. Concealed weapons 2. Crime. Sheeeesh.
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    As far as the posted signs, I think that you will begin to see them disappear over time. Once people realize that crime stats are down and the streets aren't running red with the blood of vengence (as the Plain Dealer would have you believe) the signs will be few and far in between.

    I think Ohio is the same as Georgia- If a PRIVATE business has posted, you can ignore and still carry. If you are made, they will ask you to leave. As long as you leave with no incident then al will be fine. If you protest, then the cops will come and give you a tresspass charge. Can someone from Ohio clarify this?
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    Doc, I think you're right that the signs will decrease. Another big factor will probably be as their IT infrastructure gets built up to handle the requests more efficiently. As you get more licensees out there, the potential business impact of denying access becomes a bit more significant. But the main issue will be the very fact that it is a non-issue!
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    Neat graphic.....
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    No, you can't just ignore the CPZ signs.... If you are noticed, and refuse to leave, iirc, it's a tresspassing charge....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadslinger
    Only 67K CCW in Ohio ?
    Considering Oho has only been a "shall issue" state for 2 yrs this is pretty good. It took Virginia, a decidedly more pro gun state, almost 4 yrs to reach this point. We have been "shall issue" now for 11 yrs or so and have around 120K permits issued.
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