Washington Ceasefire Stirring Up a Storm!
This is a discussion on Washington Ceasefire Stirring Up a Storm! within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I had to take a step back when I read this editorial, particularly where Ralph Fascitelli, board president calls the Second Amendment Foundation an extremist ...
August 3rd, 2011 08:43 PM
August 3rd, 2011 10:50 PM
In his landmark book, “Private Guns, Public Health,” David Hemenway of the Harvard School of Public Health reported that the states with the most effective gun regulations have one-sixth the level of gun violence of states with the least effective laws.
I think I can guess the spot that Mr. Fascitelli pulled this fact from/out of...
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August 4th, 2011 01:35 AM
Glad I got outta there.....
Too bad, I love the state itself. The coffee-culture hippie-larvi need to find something else to 'save'.
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August 4th, 2011 02:22 AM
Soooooo, any of these shooters legally carrying? If not, then legal private guns are not the problem.
They hold up England as the gold standard, where they put homeowners in jail for defending their homes from thugs that know they can do what they want. OK.
I prefer to live dangerously free than safely caged!
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August 4th, 2011 02:23 AM
Do they believe "opinion" articles are really "news" up there ? We call them editorials.
Idiots exist everywhere.
Stop TSA and terrorism, arm all air passengers with a gun as they board.
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August 4th, 2011 03:13 AM
Here is a basic bit of math for the anti-gun crowd. We have over five times the population of England. Even if the per capita "gun murder" rate was the same our total would be higher.
On a recent weekend alone, 20 people were shot in two separate incidents. This year, almost 600 Washingtonians will die from gun violence ó a total almost 15 times greater than annual gun deaths in all of England.
There are a couple of things about England I never see them address. England still has over 7,000 firearms offenses every year. Sexual assualt, domestic violence, and home invasion rates are much higher per capita in England than America. Plus, the number of people being violently beaten or stabbed is higher than in America.
In other words England proves that if you strip the guns criminals will still find ways to victimize people. I'm sure the women in England don't mind exchanging a little rape to be free from guns.
August 5th, 2011 04:01 PM
I literally stumbled on this forum while doing research for my daily Seattle Gun Rights Examiner column, which, coincidentally, deals with Ralph Fascitelli's letter to the Seattle Times.
I'll be happy to post a link if you guys want to read it.
August 5th, 2011 04:32 PM
Shhh, let's not look at the fact that the US has far more land mass than the UK, and a population difference to go with that.
We don't want to look at the relevant numbers of a comparison after all.
Go ahead and post the link.
I'll be happy to post a link if you guys want to read it.
August 5th, 2011 05:16 PM
An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine from which I quote:
"If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the
Iraq theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112
deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
"The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is
80.6 per 100,000 for the same period.
That means you are about 25 percent more likely to be shot and killed in
the U.S. capital, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the
U.S., than you are in Iraq."
Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington D.C.
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August 5th, 2011 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by SFury
Here ya go!
Question to CeaseFire president: Who is the real extremist?
In a letter to the Seattle Times on Wednesday, Washington CeaseFire President Ralph Fascitelli pushed the gun prohibition agenda as a response to two recent shooting incidents in south King County, while taking the time to call the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation an “extremist group” and imply that it is a lobbying organization.
Question to CeaseFire president: Who is the real extremist? - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
August 5th, 2011 07:03 PM
To some of the loony tunes, an honest citizen shooting a criminal deviant home invader or other criminal attacker is gun violence. The shooting of these poor under privileged individuals, whose creation is our fault, who were about to turn their life around and become useful members of society, is a travesty to them.
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August 5th, 2011 07:28 PM
So, how's Illinois doing in those regards? They have less gun violence, do they??
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August 5th, 2011 08:13 PM
This guy Ralph is giving us a heads-up concerning how socialized medicine/health care may be used in the future as the vehicle for gun-control.
After all, the one 'paying the bills' has a great deal of say/power concerning what is 'unhealthy or high-risk behavior.'
I live just outside of NYC...and have watched the Bloomberg Admistration crack down on everything from smoking to transfats.
And we all know how he feels about guns.
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August 5th, 2011 09:18 PM
Brass, this is nothing new. The gun ban crowd has been thumping on this "guns as a health care risk" notion for some years. It's a crock, of course, but to them it is Gospel.
Originally Posted by Brass63
August 5th, 2011 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Guantes
I'm new here but I can see your problem in a heartbeat.
You have mastered the ability to think these issues through. Yes, they are all "just beginnin' to turn their lives around."
You just haven't learned how to feel guilty about it.
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