My letter to the St Pete Times today
This is a discussion on My letter to the St Pete Times today within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; It is just amazing to me that people can make such a big deal about such nonsensical issues.
First, there is no big medical database ...
August 7th, 2011 11:10 AM
It is just amazing to me that people can make such a big deal about such nonsensical issues.
First, there is no big medical database that tracks gun ownership and the situation for creating a database that MIGHT possibly include such information is so far down the 'pike and so unlikely to ever happen, given the organizational structure of medicine, that it has to be sheer paranoia to even think about beginning to consider the possibility of worrying about it.
Second, do you think it would be Ok to ask about guns with symptoms of ear, shoulder, arm, hand, lead toxicity, and other possible gun related complaints are presented? And, while on that topic, is it OK to take a sexual history if someone presents with genital isues like prostatitis or vaginal discharge? Or an alcohol history if they have liver problems or gynecomastia? Or are we just supposed to read minds and use crystal balls?
The lobbies you really have to worry about are the big pharma and insurance company lobbies that make their money by either selling you crap that doesn't work at very high prices or denying you care based on their decision to not cover yoru illness. Or certain political parties that want to cut your Medicare benefits.
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August 7th, 2011 12:13 PM
When someone has injuries that are consistent with, or could be aggravated by, gun use then there is no issue. The same holds true for the other symptoms and causes you posed.
The issue at hand is personal privacy, and an irrelevant question for most purposes. The AMA is asking the question, not necessarily the attending physician. If the results don't get filed, or are not used in their entirety, then why ask them before treating someone?
A bit of proactive measures to stop something from becoming a larger issue does not hurt. The saying to go with this situation is, "An ounce of prevention prevents a pound of cure."
August 7th, 2011 01:03 PM
Because they are SCREENING questions. Just like a mammogram is a screening test and 99% are negative; it is relevant to the person with potential for a problem. We can't tell in advance who is going to have a positive answer to a screening question so they are asked of all.
Originally Posted by SFury
August 7th, 2011 01:47 PM
When my kids' pediatrician asked me if I had guns in the house, it most assuredly had nothing to do with any lead toxicity issue. The "guns in the home are 43 times more likely..." discussion which ensued was sort of a clue.
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August 7th, 2011 02:36 PM
I guess if I come in with flu symptoms, then owning a gun has something to do with the cause of my misery? Doubtful. I work for a school district. Simple communicable diseases are commonplace every year. Dense human populations are the root of the problem, and nothing else.
There are screening questions, and there are specific injury/illness related questions that get asked if there is a need. There is no reason to ask about gun ownership in a questionnaire prior to any treatment. Especially not in the case of children as it was in Florida.
I was recently rear-ended by some college kid, should I have been asked if I owned guns prior to being treated? Should I have been asked about my sexual history first? I had a sore neck, and issues caused by stiffening muscles. The only relevant fact was being rear ended as I was driving home.
Some activities lead to some injuries. Fact, and I made that point earlier. Blank questionnaires can be helpful, but some things are not meant to be asked in them. Period.
I don't trust the AMA, I don't trust most national organizations with their own agenda-driven leadership when they push their ideals into my life. Just so you know, I'm not talking about the American Motorcyclists Association either. Right or wrong, that's the way it has to be. People need to learn to live and let live instead of trying to tell other people how to live.
August 7th, 2011 03:38 PM
Due to current heath issues, I've had to see several doctors and medical facilities recently for the first time. Not one has asked me directly or on the paperwork anything personal beyond do I smoke or drink alcohol. Not one mention about firearms (or my sex life). AMA or not, this tells me it's purely a doctor's choice to ask about firearms or not.
Any questions about firearms would go unanswered, unless, of course, perhaps if I was being treated for GSWs. Should a doctor decide he can't treat me because I refuse to answer, there is an abundance of others who would be glad to receive my insurance payments without asking irrelevent questions.
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August 7th, 2011 05:53 PM
You guys are making me crazy about this! Screening questions are asked at regular intervals like the first office visit and maybe once yearly at an annual visit - at that point it's usually, "has anything we asked about changed in the last year." At that point it would be wise to answer, "oh, yeah, there is blood in my stool," or "I get winded going up a flight of stairs and it gives me a pain in my shoulder," or " we are rehabbing an old house and chipping a lot of pain off the wall."
Or you might be asked, "when was your last mammogram, was it ordered by Dr. X," or Who did your last rectal exam or papsmear, etc."
If you don't want your primary care physician to ask about any of that stuff, just tell him/her that you will figure out what is wrong, what is relevant and what s/he needs to know and to leave all other topics and screening questions or tests out of it.
The American Medical Association does not now nor have they specified what screening questions should be asked. Some groups like the Amer. College of Internal Medicine or the Family Practice or Pediatric groups have suggested that some screening questions be asked to guide discussions on safety and disease prevention. It's not a conspiracy.
An emergency medicine specialist treating you for auto accident trauma will not typically inquire about your guns or your sex life - (unless they were directly related to the accident); an orthopedist is not going to ask about your prostate or mammogram while treating a broken arm (unless one of the medications s/he was intending to prescribe would hve harmful effects in those areas.
Lighten up people, you are being paranoid.
Last edited by DoctorBob; August 8th, 2011 at 07:09 AM.
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