September 2nd, 2011 10:36 AM
The LaPierre and the nra have been keeping up with the proceedings/status of F and F. If you go to their site, you can get the latest info on this case.
September 2nd, 2011 05:09 PM
This was a poorly conceived idea from the start. Let's send guns across the border and find out where they end up. Let's actually start enforcing the laws of this country. The government has a job to do, and from where I am sitting it sure looks like they are dropping the ball on all fronts.
September 2nd, 2011 05:39 PM
Actually this was a brilliantly conceived plan by the administration.
Flood Mexico with American firearms, with the intention and hope that they would turn up at high profile crime scenes.
At which point the adminstration points to the American firearms industry and firearm dealers and says "they are the problem".
"All the guns going to Mexico are from the United States, we've got to do something to stop the wholesale murder taking place with American guns"
Thereby making the political climate in this country much more suscecptive to the "Small Arms Treaty" being pandered by the United Nations.
Hence the "under the radar" gun control the POTUS promised Sarah Brady.
The ONLY problem with the plan was...they got caught...and now it's all about damage control.
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it".
September 2nd, 2011 10:36 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^^^
Originally Posted by Guns and more
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
September 6th, 2011 01:54 AM
Plot Thickens - Investigation Widens - The Game is Afoot
The Justice Department inspector general and the House Oversight and Government Affairs Committee [Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.), and the office of Sen. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa)] are investigating the release of the suspect, following his arrest in Mexico, free of the obvious charge of violating the law in the exportation of the "inert" parts of the grenades.
Federal authorities are probing why the U.S. in 2010 let go an Arizona man accused of supplying grenades to a Mexican drug cartel, a case that played a role in the ouster last week of the nation's top firearms regulator and the U.S. attorney in Phoenix.
U.S. officials said missteps in the case, which hasn't been previously disclosed, are being investigated by the Justice Department and Congress.
The reveleations of this investigation more than those of Fast and Furious determined (acting director of the ATF) Melson's, and (U.S. attorney in Arizona) Dennis Burke's ouster.
Senior Prosecutor, Emory Hurley, is emerging as who suspended processing of arrests in this and Fast and Furious leading to blunders under Obama in securing the border and fighting the drug war there and the personnel shakeup.
DOJ is pointing fingers at the ATF, but the WSJ has emails implicating high-level DOJ approval and describing such detail as this cooperation with Mexican authorities to track the suspect to a Mexican grenade shop.
Dennis Burke, is party to the email exchange and therein approves the plan: "Agree [with] the course of action as the variables play out."
The "play out" of the "variables" in this operation included the suspect's slipping the ATF and Mexican Federales' tail - not to mention the fumbling the tracking of most of the 2,000 weapons of F & F.
Last edited by Pistology; September 6th, 2011 at 03:22 AM.
Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)
September 6th, 2011 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by mel
Today's revelations suggest we don't know the half of it. Can you spell H-A-N-D G-R-E-N-A-D-E?
You're not gonna believe this, which means you probably should:
‘Grenade case’ explodes and leaves many questions
â€˜Grenade caseâ€™ explodes and leaves many questions - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
Even while I was writing about it, I was scratching my head wondering what the heck these guys were thinking.
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