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    Thanks everyone. Another reason this forum is amazing. I also know and understand that officers are not lawyers, another reason I pick the brains of people with more experience and knowledge than myself. I like to travel and like to be safe, but also like to be a law abiding citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    All of this is entirely too complicated a mishmash of ever changing gotyas, and we desperately need a national reciprocity / nation honor law. For reasons of politics and political opinion, many oppose this idea even though they are staunch gun folks. IMO those who oppose national reciprocity/honor harm us all more than they protect our constitution.
    Gotta disagree here, Hopyard. If the government can consolidate CHLs, they can take all of them at once. Smaller government, I say.
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    the issuing of permits does not have to be done on a federal level all that needs to be done is force every state to honor a permit from other states, imagine the chaos if every state didn't reciprocate driving privileges, every state honors every other states d/l it could be the same for carry permits

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    Hr 822 does exactly that It has 242 cosponsors. It only needs 214. After that it goes it goes to congress. It will need 51 cosponsors. Then if the president signs it all states that issue permits will be required to honor each others with the exception of Illinois because they do not issue permits. Wisconsin will be the 49th state as of November 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    the issuing of permits does not have to be done on a federal level all that needs to be done is force every state to honor a permit from other states, imagine the chaos if every state didn't reciprocate driving privileges, every state honors every other states d/l it could be the same for carry permits
    And how does that force get applied if not by and through Federal legislation?
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    Here is a website were you can check which states honors your Permit:

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/

    California will only issue to residents if approved by the local CLEO! I live in Nevada and work, non sworn, for a PD in California and I can't get a permit to carry in Mexifornia but I can carry in 34 other states. Go figure! As for HR 822 you still need the Senate and unless we get 60 + Gun Nuts in the Senate in 2012 it is going no where!


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    After 12-01-2011 NC will honor all CC permits.
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    WOW this thread got on a tangent in a hurry, glad to see it's recovered.

    IN honors all other states permits to carry in the manner said permit outlines, including non-resident, unless you're from IN then you'll need your LTCH. So if you've got a TX or FL permit and want to OC you'd best have a UT or AZ (or other state that a permit allows OC) non-res permit to be within the letter. We run into that nice situation where we'll honor OH permits so they can come visit us and carry no problem, but we've got to go get a non-resident permit to be allowed to carry over in OH, and then the other side of the state is IL. While we lack true reciprocity, it doesn't mean that our permit isn't good elsewhere or that other permits aren't good here. The new WI law is supposed to honor permits from any state that does a background check, so their will be a similar situation in many cases. But hey if someone's got an inaccurate talking point in a mandatory class...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotguns View Post
    personally, i dont trust the federal government to be able to pour piss out of a boot without splashing it all over the place,which would then require the epa to classify it as a hazardous waste area,which would require osha to oversee the cleanup effort, fema bringing in a trailer to make sure that they can get their input in so that they can justify their existance, and then the boot would have to be transported to a hazard waste facility furnace for disposal with guidance from the dot for proper clearances to transport it, while being taxed by the irs as a consumable.
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    Nah. I dont want an incompetent anti-American or any appointed Czars telling me when and where I can or cannot defend myself.

    It could be dealt with very simply, such as the state of Missouri that recognizes ANY permit. Lets keep it at the state level.

    Right on. We do not need the incompetent federal gov't getting involved in reciprocity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    Right on. We do not need the incompetent federal gov't getting involved in reciprocity.
    Let's see, do you think all the folks enabled by LEOSA would gladly give up the options they now have just because Uncle is involved in a very tangential way?

    How come something good enough for our LEOs and LEO retirees becomes a burdensome unthinkable Federal intrusion when it is proposed for the ordinary guy?
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    TN will honor any states that honors theirs. They currently have written agreements with 14 states. To my understanding these agreements stay in effect unless one of the states involved opts out. About two years ago there was a big deal over WV refusing to sign a renewal with TN. IIRC it was discovered the agreement was never properly signed in the beginning which WV corrected quickly and all has been well since.
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    No one has mentioned www.handgunlaw.us yet. That site has info on each state's reciprocity status, a list of the states that accept reciprocity and a map that shows reciprocity; it also has links to the relevant statutes. The ones I checked said nothing about yearly renewal. I'm voting that the LEO who said that was talking thru his hat. However, there are some changes that take place from time to time. So, you need to check each time BEFORE you carry across state lines.

    I also agree with Hopyard that HR822 is the way to go. We need some degree of fedral regulation for things like voting eligibility (cf voting rights in the south - remeber that?), interstate commerce, broadcasting, airline traffic control, etc. It is time for HR 822 and I'm pleased that my congressman supports it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jem102 View Post
    TN will honor any states that honors theirs. They currently have written agreements with 14 states. To my understanding these agreements stay in effect unless one of the states involved opts out. About two years ago there was a big deal over WV refusing to sign a renewal with TN. IIRC it was discovered the agreement was never properly signed in the beginning which WV corrected quickly and all has been well since.
    TN also honors states that DO NOT honor TN. CA, CT, NJ, NY, MA, MD,ME, RI, and WI, once their law is enacted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbiesdad View Post
    TN also honors states that DO NOT honor TN. CA, CT, NJ, NY, MA, MD,ME, RI, and WI, once their law is enacted.
    Nice, but there are simply too many hold out states. And lots of us (not me necessarily) do a fair amount of travel. I know a man who practically lives on an airplane and in motels. He has so many "miles" he recently gave me 12 free nights at one of the chain motels.

    His work takes him into industrial areas and to off the main path factories, often in really questionable areas of town or rural areas. He is licensed in his home state but can't take a gun with him, because he can be in OK one day, Fl the next, Vermont the next week, CA the next week, NY the next, and so on. The factory equipment his company services breaks down randomly, his travels therefore are random, and he doesn't necessarily get to go home between jobs.

    He isn't unusual. There are lots of repair and salespeople who live like that. It is a tough way to make a living and carrying as he travels would be a sensible thing, if our present laws weren't so screwed up that it is impossible.
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