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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Doctors have no business in anyone personal business. Fix what's ailing me and STFU about it, you are getting paid. There is no reason to get into a free man's business.... unless of course you are a socialist and think it is ok. Every American has the right to keep and bear arms and it is not your business or anyone elses to tell them why, when, or how to do so.
    Really?

    "Doctor, my chest hurts, do you think it's a heart problem?"

    "Hmm. I'm not sure. What's your diet like? How about family history - does or did anyone in your family have hypertension or other heart problems?"

    "You have no business in my personal business. Fix what's ailing me and STFU about it."

    "Well maybe it's just heartburn. What did you have for lunch?"

    "You have no business in my personal business. Fix what's ailing me and . . ."



    Oh well, at least we agree in the taser settlement thread!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMia View Post
    Really?

    "Doctor, my chest hurts, do you think it's a heart problem?"

    "Hmm. I'm not sure. What's your diet like? How about family history - does or did anyone in your family have hypertension or other heart problems?"

    "You have no business in my personal business. Fix what's ailing me and STFU about it."

    "Well maybe it's just heartburn. What did you have for lunch?"

    "You have no business in my personal business. Fix what's ailing me and . . ."



    Oh well, at least we agree in the taser settlement thread!
    So tell me what a firearm in my home has to do with any of your examples unless I showed up with a GSW?

    Doctor my chest hurts.

    Do you have any firearms in the home?

    How much money do you have in the bank?

    What is the pin number for your debit card?

    Doctor I am having eyesight issues.

    Do you have any firearms in the home?

    What is your mothers maiden name?

    Do you spank your children?

    Doctor my foot hurts.

    Do you have any firearms in the home?

    Do you like to hunt?

    Have you ever cheated on your wife?

    Seriously. What kind of logic are you throwing at us here?

    Like I said. STAY OUT OF MY PERSONAL BUSINESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMia View Post
    Really?

    "Doctor, my chest hurts, do you think it's a heart problem?"

    "Hmm. I'm not sure. What's your diet like? How about family history - does or did anyone in your family have hypertension or other heart problems?"

    "You have no business in my personal business. Fix what's ailing me and STFU about it."

    "Well maybe it's just heartburn. What did you have for lunch?"

    "You have no business in my personal business. Fix what's ailing me and . . ."



    Oh well, at least we agree in the taser settlement thread!
    Invalid analogy.

    You went because your chest hurt, he has to know what's going on that might affect that. You didn't go because your pants wear thin on one side or hang down on one side or ...... I hope you get my drift. I understand the point you're making about whether the doc has any business in your business, but this analogy is flawed.
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    The behind the scenes of this is what really tells the whole story.
    After hearing horror stories about MD's interrogating minor children concerning guns in their homes, and in at least two instances reportedly refused to treat children who lived in homes where guns were present, The Florida legislature, passed HB 155 which Governor Scott quickly signed into law.
    The AMA and Florida doctors with the help of Brady Center lawyers filed suit to have the law ruled unconstitutional.
    Thats right, you read correctly lawyers supplied by the Brady Center.

    This has nothing to do with Doctors being denied 1st Amendment rights, but has everything to do with the A.M.A. and the Academy of Pediatrics pushing their anti-gun agenda.
    Why else would the Brady Center supply them with pro-bono attorneys?

    Brady Center Sues Florida Over 'Gag' On Doctors Asking About Firearms | Fox News

    The below background on HB-155 comes from the NRA

    BACKGROUND ON HB-155

    Doctors need to treat illness, not guns. Pediatricians and other physicians, in growing numbers, are prying into our personal lives, invading our privacy and straying from issues relating to disease and medicine by questioning children or their parents about gun ownership.

    We take our children to physicians for medical care, not moral judgment, political harassment, and privacy intrusions - and that is what HB-155 intends to prohibit.

    This bill comes in answer to families who are complaining about the growing political agenda being carried out in examination rooms by doctors and medical staffs - and the arrogant berating if a patient refuses to answer questions that violate privacy rights and offend common decency.

    Horrified parents have described nurses entering the answers to gun questions into laptop computers to become a part of medical records. They have become concerned about whether those records can be used by the government or by insurance companies to deny health care coverage because a family exercises a civil right in owning firearms.

    As parents, we are responsible for our children's safety. We don't need doctors pushing their anti-gun politics on us or our kids. We need them to spend their time practicing medicine and not prying into our personal lives on issues that have nothing to do with disease, its cure, or its eradication.
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    I know it's an invalid, illogical analogy, and that's kinda the point. It's an extreme example of what I believed to be an overly broad statement on azchevy's part that doctors have no business in anyone's personal business.

    At any rate, in my opinion the firearm in the home question from my kid's pediatrician is just a matter of overall preventive care - just as if said pediatrician asked about fences around the pool, wearing seatbelts in the car, kitchen knives out of Johnny's reach, etc.

    Again, just my opinion, which is just as worthy and valid as yours. We can certainly agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMia View Post
    I know it's an invalid, illogical analogy, and that's kinda the point. It's an extreme example of what I believed to be an overly broad statement on azchevy's part that doctors have no business in anyone's personal business.

    At any rate, in my opinion the firearm in the home question from my kid's pediatrician is just a matter of overall preventive care - just as if said pediatrician asked about fences around the pool, wearing seatbelts in the car, kitchen knives out of Johnny's reach, etc.

    Again, just my opinion, which is just as worthy and valid as yours. We can certainly agree to disagree.
    I wasn't broad. Doctors have NO business in my personal life. None. ZERO. Fix my problem. Have questions about my symptoms and health related to my issue fine, but stay out of my personal life. Doctors kill WAY more people every year than firearms.
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    I do not want, nor do I need firearm safety training from some dip____ that doesn't own a gun, hasn't handled a gun and in fact the only knowledge he has of guns is what he has read in AMA Journal articles. No thanks.
    If I take my child in with a gunshot wound, or with lead poisoning, or with a dislocated shoulder from shooting a 12 guage then ask about guns all you want, because they are involved.
    When I bring my child in for a school physical, or a required vaccination, you have no absolutely zero business asking anything about guns. Period
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    I wasn't broad. Doctors have NO business in my personal life. None. ZERO. Fix my problem. Have questions about my symptoms and health related to my issue fine, but stay out of my personal life. Doctors kill WAY more people every year than firearms.
    I'm really not interested in going round and round in circles, so this will be the last thing I add to this thread. My point is simply that to address your symptoms and health related issues, doctors sometimes MAY HAVE to get into personal life matters. Family health history, smoking habits if you have a lung issue, sun exposure if you've got excessive sun spots that could become cancerous, etc. That's why I said I think it's a little overbroad to say doctors NEVER have ANY business inquiring about your personal life.

    Now of course if things like that don't fall under your definition of personal life, then it's a moot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMia View Post
    I'm really not interested in going round and round in circles, so this will be the last thing I add to this thread. My point is simply that to address your symptoms and health related issues, doctors sometimes MAY HAVE to get into personal life matters. Family health history, smoking habits if you have a lung issue, sun exposure if you've got excessive sun spots that could become cancerous, etc. That's why I said I think it's a little overbroad to say doctors NEVER have ANY business inquiring about your personal life.

    Now of course if things like that don't fall under your definition of personal life, then it's a moot point.

    See ya.
    I think you are totally missing the point. Did you really go to law school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    I think you are totally missing the point. Did you really go to law school?
    1. Yes.

    2. Really? Resorting to cheap shots now? I'd have hoped that wouldn't happen here.

    Don't want to derail this thread with our individual back and forth, so feel free to PM me if you want to continue a respectful discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMia View Post
    1. Yes.

    2. Really? Resorting to cheap shots now? I'd have hoped that wouldn't happen here.

    Don't want to derail this thread with our individual back and forth, so feel free to PM me if you want to continue a respectful discussion.
    It was not a cheap shot. I am trying to understand how a red blooded American educated firearm owner sees any good in a doctor asking parents or children about firearm ownership in the household, and keeping a record of it, when it has nothing to do with their job or any diagnosis. It is baffling me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisMia View Post
    I know it's an invalid, illogical analogy, and that's kinda the point. It's an extreme example of what I believed to be an overly broad statement on azchevy's part that doctors have no business in anyone's personal business.

    At any rate, in my opinion the firearm in the home question from my kid's pediatrician is just a matter of overall preventive care - just as if said pediatrician asked about fences around the pool, wearing seatbelts in the car, kitchen knives out of Johnny's reach, etc.

    Again, just my opinion, which is just as worthy and valid as yours. We can certainly agree to disagree.
    Well in your stated context I certainly understand the use of that analogy, I can see your point. I guess my opinion is just tainted by the background of this whole issue. Prior to someone, i.e. Brady anti-group, insurance companies (the guys the doctors really work for -- that's where they get their paychecks), anyone else, bringing this up, it was a non-issue. I'd like to see it stay a non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beni View Post
    Then that Medical Professional is violating HIPPA and you should sue him for all that he owns.
    Ah, but then the cat is out of the bag and some damage done. Look, in today's world NOTHING entered into a computer record is secure. Not your bank statement, not your credit card statement, not your electric bill, and not your e-mail, and not your medical records. NOTHING.

    I personally think it plain doesn't matter if my doc knows I own guns, and I couldn't care less. I have no qualms about either telling the truth or telling a fib, or declining to answer. I can give 3 different responses to 3 different docs. Any snoop will have no idea what's what.

    What I do care about is all the push for electronic medical records which will inevitably have some very bad consequences. 1) it gets around 2) errors are hard to correct 3) records get mixed up.

    Our computer systems are highly inadequate for keeping privacy, and that's a huge problem whether the issue is guns, prescriptions, or clap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beni View Post
    Then that Medical Professional is violating HIPPA and you should sue him for all that he owns.
    NEGATIVE....Once Obama Care is fully in force ALL your medical records will be the property of the feds, does you doctor use a lap top during your visit? much of what is there is already subject to government scrutiny.


    Also any cutsie answer like my favorite NOYFB likely will go on record as a YES; do what I do when anyone asks a question I don't feel they have any business asking......

    LIE, LIE, LIE give them the appropriate PC, answer give them any answer but the truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arborigine View Post
    Why would anyone answer questions so off the topic in a Doctors office? I would tell him its none of his GD business, and ask if he has pictures of his wife, naked. Wanna buy some?

    Exactly. I'd ask him if he does.
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