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    I believe that Marijuans has some very beneficial effects for people that need it,gives people an appetite to eat,and kills nausea from chemo etc. that said I was watching a Court TV show about somebody sueing because his Medical MJ was stolen,Kid looked to be under 21,Judge asked why you need MJ he replied chronic pain from a skateboard injury,defendant piped in I don't need his dope I got my own Medical MJ card,Judge asked what for,Reply was I got a chronic skateboard Injury.Judge looked disgusted and said I'm pretty sure that is not what people had in mind when they pushed to get MJ legalised for Medicinal purposes
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    Just think how much worse it will be when the government gets full access to your medical records.

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    Committing a crime should have appropriate consequences. Committing a crime under the influence should have ADDITIONAL--not reduced--consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpwing View Post
    Committing a crime should have appropriate consequences. Committing a crime under the influence should have ADDITIONAL--not reduced--consequences.
    I agree. In Missouri, it's not illegal to have a drink while ccw. It is highly frowned upon. The legal limit is .08. And, all crimes and penalties are enhanced if you are caught with a loaded gun and are over the limit or intoxicated. Misdemeanors become felonies and fines and punishment significantly increased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordhamster View Post
    Nobody is arguing that point. You sound like the anti-gunners in Ohio who believe that responsible gun owners can't be trusted into a bar because they may be tempted to get drunk and shoot up the place.

    The issue is if a person who simply holds a prescription for a medication should be banned from gun ownership.
    Well, if you do something that will inhibit your own decision making choices, then you should choose to be responsible. That's what I'm advocating. If you want to do drugs banned by the government and risk losing certain rights for the gains you receive that's your risk. Don't ask me to advocate for your reinstatement of rights because I will only argue that you should never get them back. Life isn't fair, and we have to play by some unfair rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by jumpwing View Post
    So she has to choose between her Rights and her marriage? No, I don't think that's okay. That's punishment for association AFTER the fact.
    It is OK. Irresponsibility caused the problem. I have no sympathy for either party. I never will. We live with the consequences of the choices that not only we make, but with the choices that those we love and live with make. Sometimes reality sucks, and we have to adapt to those choices made. It's not always pleasant having to deal with irresponsibility.

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    If anything has come of all of this, laws are laws and we are all slaves to the Feds....
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    Ya know...



    It's articles like this that make me wonder if anyone who claims that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is important to them is paying attention.

    This is a shock? Really?

    Let's go to GCA '68:

    The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).

    These categories include any person:
    Under indictment or information in any court for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
    convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
    who is a fugitive from justice;
    who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
    who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
    who is an illegal alien;
    who has been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions;
    who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
    who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
    who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (enacted by the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997, Pub. L. No. 104-208, effective September 30, 1996). 18 USC 922(g) and (n).

    This has been on the books for aproximately 40 years.

    Mary-Jane is, believe it or not, under Federal law, a controled substance...and it is unlawful to use it!

    I know, shocking...

    It is not new. It is not suddenly the result of regulatory change. It is well established law that we all know about, and have for decades.

    I hate to be the guy who brings up the obvious, but Congress and the Federal Government has legislated in his area, and under current interpretations of the commerce clause and federal authority, that's the controling authority.

    Yes, the law needs to be changed. I'm not disputing that.

    What I am a bit disgusted with ...is people act like "OMG! THE JACKBOOTS HAVE JUST REGULATED AWAY THE RKBA FOR PEOPLE USING POT OUT OF THE BLUE!!"

    No. They didn't.

    The people using medical pot knew or should have known about this stuff.

    If they didn't - google, pot head! It ain't like you have to go look at confusing books and read stuff on paper. You don't even have to drive to the library to get online.

    Do the I-Phone thing and use a law related app.

    If your right to keep and bear arms is important to you - know the law.

    Even if it is bull.

    Understand federal authority. Even if it's bull too.

    It is your responsibility, and the RKBA community needs to be absolutely ruthless with the willfully uninformed.

    If it's a fight for your rights...you dam well better come to the fight armed with something more than good intentions.

    Otherwise you are walking into a gunfight hoping to scare off an attacker with an empty shotgun making a racking the slide noise.

    Everyone's supposed to be involved, and everyone needs to be informed.

    I will quote Coach Gains in Friday Night Lights:

    It's a good day, gentlemen. It's a good day to think about responsibility.

    It's a good day to ask yourself a couple of questions.

    It's a good day, gentlemen, to ask yourselves if, on a personal level, you're willin' to accept that.

    If you're willin' to accept the responsibility you have to protect this team, this school, and this town. And make no mistake about it gentlemen, we are in the business of winning. We are in the business of protectin' this town.

    The expectations couldn't be any higher: We will win State.

    This is real sincere warfare.

    Can you be perfect?




    Now...I'm gonna quote SouthNarc, "It's NOT a GAME!"


    This is the fight for your rights.
    This is the legacy you want to pass onto your future.

    Can you be perfect?


    If you have you're head up your rear and were stunned about this issue, pull the head out now. Now and hard.

    Or you are about as useful to the RKBA as a Harvard MBA, Yale Law Grad ATF agent who believes the ends justify the means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I believe that Marijuans has some very beneficial effects for people that need it,gives people an appetite to eat,and kills nausea from chemo etc.
    I just wanted to point out that this is scientific medical fact.

    Edit to say: Other medical benefits I'm not so sure about (i.e. headaches, pain etc.)

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    Smile Veterans with medical marijuana cards

    Just left a Veteran's Hospital where I was operated on, hats off to those responsible for the tremendous improvements in these facilities from years passed, anyway I had to put my 2 cents in regarding this important subject. What do you say to Veterans with spinal injuries, missing limbs, and such who have been recommended medical marijuana by Spinal Specialists to help with their pain, and muscle spasms, I'm sorry, you've fought for our Great Country, and now you cannot utilize you're 2nd Amendment Rights to protect you're families, and yourselves because you're utilizing a medicine that's been prescribed by Physicians, but our Commanders in Chiefs like Mr. Obama, and Mr. Bush who both admitted to smoking marijuana recreationally can be President, Our Military Commanders, and in charge of our Nuclear Codes. Can the hypocrisy get any worse. Every single Gov Study ever done explained that Marijuana has medical benefits, just google search DEA Admin Law Judge Francis Young's Finding of Facts Ruling on Medical Marijuana, and every Medical Organizations supports it's medical use. Using marijuana like tea won't get you stoned, or high. You just benefit from the over 300 medical compounds, and the over 62 cannabinoids of which many are anti-cancer fighting. Marinol, the synthetic form of Marijuana is completely legal, is dangerous to use, and has caused side effects, is much more costly, and has only one compound, synthetic THC. Stimulants like coffee, and cigerates according to DEA Law Judge Francis Young are actually more dangerous to use, along with alcohol. Not to mention all the highly addicting legal opiate type drugs of which I was on. They can keep them, I'll just use the safest one my Doctor's recommend me, medical marijuana, and I prey they don't try and take away my, and others 2nd Amendment Rights away from us, because its the only way many of us can defend ourselves, and our loved ones. God bless the USA, and our Constitution. Lou, just my 2 cents worth, thanks for letting me post.

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    And that's why federal law needs to be changed.

    However at this time, it is the law.

    Not an administrative ruling, not an executive order...it's law. Passed by congress, signed by the president.

    It needs to be changed...but till then, what should the feds do?
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    I hope you recover beautifully and that you are back on your feet in "double time." Thank you for your service and welcome to the forum Sir!

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    The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).

    who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;This has been on the books for aproximately 40 years.

    Mary-Jane is, believe it or not, under Federal law, a controled substance...and it is unlawful to use it!

    Folks can badmouth federal agencies and complain about this one until the cows come home and it won't matter one whit.


    And that's why federal law needs to be changed.
    Good luck getting congressmen to back the repeal of this law.

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    Suspicious? Department of Justice Denies Guns to Medical Marijuana Patients, and the NRA is Silent
    Suspicious? Not at all.
    Have you ever filled out a 4473?
    It clearly asks if you use illegal drugs.
    The feds do not consider ANY use of marijuana to be legal.
    So, which do you need more?

    The argument about Marijuana PATIENTS are irrelevant. That's a state issue.

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    Congress does not need to do anything.

    All that needs to be done is for the DEA to put medical marijuana into the Schedule II or Schedule III classification (where it rightfully belongs) and not keep it in the Schedule I category.

    It flies in the face of decades worth of reliable study and documentation which clearly demonstrates there is a legitimate medical use for the drug.

    Those people who have a medical condition and a legitimate prescription from a physician will be allowed to keep their guns, and those who abuse the drug and buy it illegally (without a prescription) will still be committing a felony under existing laws, and thus not be allowed to own guns.
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    Marijuana is a depressant, same as alcohol, and can additionally be a hallucinogen. They don't allow guns in bars, or off-duty LEO to carry if they're drinking. Why should it be any different for pot?

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