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H.R. 822, the Trojan Horse gun bill, has reached the House floor.

This is a discussion on H.R. 822, the Trojan Horse gun bill, has reached the House floor. within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by bolocanolo So you feel this is all hogwash!!! and the administration is playing to its base to pacify them, and be able ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolocanolo View Post
    So you feel this is all hogwash!!! and the administration is playing to its base to pacify them, and be able to claim they tried to do something about gun control. They can later use it as a campaign talking point and accuse the right, of "clinging to their guns"?
    I feel that the concerns about the UN and gun control here in the US are indeed hogwash. I won't comment on what if anything the administration is doing because that gets into partisan politics which is forbidden territory here.

    Vote for whom you want, but how about making that choice on fact instead of fear; on what someone actually does instead of what some internet troll/blogger proclaims they "know" will be done.

    How about judging rumors of something that might improbably be done against the standard of what our constitution and courts allow, instead of taking the wildest of remote possibilities as certainties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes
    Again, I haven't made up my final mind about this bill and there are a few things that still make me scratch my head but if I were to put a ratio on my feelings it would probably be 75 For : 25 Against at this moment.
    Your statements makes me curious. Would you be willing to elaborate on what you see as the issues and why you would be for or against them? I am especially curious about the "head scratching" ones.

    At bolocanolo: I agree with Hopyard, the noise by the League of Non-Aligned Worlds, er, I mean the UN, is nothing but noise blown out of proportion as a scare tactic by propagandists. The US and every other major power has thumbed it's nose at the UN many a times and it will take a hell of a lot more than a bunch of votes by 3rd world representatives that have no real enforcement powers over this country to affect our constitution and laws.

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    The level of paranoia among some posters is astounding. [sarcasm] Who would have thought the NRA would be the one to sell our 2A rights down the fiver?![/sarcasm]

    Let's not let the 'perfect' be the enemy of the good. This bill is an important step in the right direction and for those of us who, unlike some troglodytes, actually come out of our caves from time to time, this would be a wonderful piece of legislation.

    read this: NRA-ILA :: U.S. House Committee Advances National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act
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    Everyone needs to calm down.

    Whether you are for this bill, or against it, for whatever reasons is irrelevant. Yes it makes for a lively debate, but you cannot effect the ultimate outcome.

    The truth in fact is that if this bill gets to Obama’s desk, he will veto it. Simple.

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    Well my permit is already honored in about 39 ?? states now it could be more right today because they always change, and when they do change the number ALWAYS goes up it has NEVER gone down, over the past year 7 new states were added and none were eliminated, so the HR 822 Bill really doesn't bother me as long as it is ONLY INTENDED TO increases my reciprocity and that is all. It will be what it will be. But it could back fire and it could turn into a parties way for their GOV offices to flex its muscle or show some political clout through an agenda with the upcoming election year on the horizon, and through changes and strikeouts you can't tell what it's going to be until the final draft passes.

    OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE NOTHING TO BE TAMPERED WITH IN A MORE RESTRICTIVE WAY

    We should be concentrating more on the states that Do Not Issue so all Responsible Law Abiding American Citizens can exercise their Second Amendment Rights To Bear Arms and protect themselves and their loved ones from evil doers. States like Illinois need to get on board the Shall Issue Train, and those that only May Issue too.

    Went ever our government starts fiddling around with any of our laws, let alone our Second Amendment, things happen because of political personal agenda's and amendments are made, changed, or added on in the shadows of the night that sometimes change its intended agenda. Sometimes for the good, and sometimes for the bad. From the first draft you read and was in agreement too may not be the final draft that gets passed. Be careful what you wish for.

    But I do wish all Responsible Law Abiding American Citizens were able to exercise their Second Amendment Rights To Bear Arms and be able to protect themselves and their loved ones from evil doers.

    As for the Small Arms Treaty someone touched on, that seems to be tilted towards import export sales of firearms, which some manufacturers outside the USA already have a hard time passing the, correct me if I'm wrong, The ATF Evaluation Code, to be imported here. I know that firearms manufacturers outside the USA have to pass with a certain numbers score on an evaluation of some GOV agency to get into our Country for retail sale.
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    SO, when is the House going to vote on it?????"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinstk View Post
    SO, when is the House going to vote on it?????"
    I don't believe that there is any set date. According to the response I received to this question from my House representative, it should be some time in the next few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinstk View Post
    SO, when is the House going to vote on it?????"
    This one, I'd wager at the end of the session, shortly after they amend the crud out of it, add a few things, and when nobody is watching...say 11:45 p.m. on the last day.
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    Since Congress hasnt done a budget in the past couple of years, i dont see why they dont have the time to discuss it now. Especially since they have abdicated their responsibilities to a "super" committee. Just exactly what are they doing???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief1297 View Post
    Since Congress hasnt done a budget in the past couple of years, i dont see why they dont have the time to discuss it now. Especially since they have abdicated their responsibilities to a "super" committee. Just exactly what are they doing???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    Passing a law to make the official motto of the USA..."In God We Trust"
    Not quite. It was already the official motto. It was passing a law to affirm that it still is the official motto. In short, they are running out the clock with 12 month to go.
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    Sure hope it flies. Too much control in the states bordering Pa. Where I'm from. Ohio,NY, MD, NJ, DE. All border my state and do not reciprocate . Think how awful it would be for a law abiding citizen to accidentally cross the border on a small country road and be lucky enough to get stopped. 3years in jail or more depending on the state. It's time for all states to honor each other just like a drivers license. It's not the law abiding citizens that the government has to worry about. We manage to propel2000 to 4000 lbs. Of deadly steel through each others states with a minimal amount of trouble and different levels of training I really do not see the streets running red with blood only because CCW'S are more law abiding than the average Joe.

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    I'm still torn on this issue. I think the states just need to get their act together and increase their reciprocity on their own. As harmless as it may look, I am scared of the federal government getting involved in just about any issue, right now.

    I vote for Vermont style for all.
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    Sure hope it flies. Too much control in the states bordering Pa. Where I'm from. Ohio,NY, MD, NJ, DE. All border my state and do not reciprocate . Think how awful it would be for a law abiding citizen to accidentally cross the border on a small country road and be lucky enough to get stopped. 3years in jail or more depending on the state. It's time for all states to honor each other just like a drivers license. It's not the law abiding citizens that the government has to worry about. We manage to propel2000 to 4000 lbs. Of deadly steel through each others states with a minimal amount of trouble and different levels of training I really do not see the streets running red with blood only because CCW'S are more law abiding than the average Joe.

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    Sorry for the double post! Easy to say from states that their border states reciprocate the ugly truth of the matter is that states like NY md and nj will never honor anyone's permits and strictly regulate their own residents so that only a select few can carry. I find it ironic that the states with the strictest laws have shooting almost every day NYC just set a record for a weekend a few months ago. I think it was near 100. But how can that be GUNS Are illegal . Newark nj's star ledger on Monday morning will always be good for stories of several shooting over the weekend. Well the good thing is 2 years never have to set a foot in nj again (work there)and my sailboat leaves md to NC. a good 2nd amendment state.

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