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never followed msnbc to begin with
These enlightened individuals seem to forget without a second amendment it wouldn't be too far behind that they wouldn't have a first amendment,which over time seems like that is getting infringed on.
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
MSNBC never had this viewer
Trust in God and keep your powder dry
"A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government." -source
She should move to England!
You can educate ignorance, you can't fix stupid
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dukalmighty has it right. Absent the 2nd Amendment, you can kiss the 1st goodbye... along with several others.
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Yeah, what's the use having a gun when they've got nukes...whatta major maroon!
"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right." -- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, Re: U.S. vs Emerson (1999)
Is Alex Wagner's opinion one I should value?
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Really? Someone watches that crap?
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Lighten up and enjoy life because:
Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid... Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth
Mighty Stupid News BroadCasters ??
And I use the word "news" with great reluctance.
The only common sense gun legislation was written about 226 years ago.
I carry always not because I go places trouble is likely, but because trouble has a habit of not staying in its assigned zone.
There are only 100 people that watch MSNBC, and 90 of them watch only to see what stupidity will get spouted next.
I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --- Will Rogers ---
Chief Justice John Roberts : "I don't see how you can read Heller and not take away from it the notion that the Second Amendment...was extremely important to the framers in their view of what liberty meant."
The only reason to watch TV anymore is football season!
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I hope Green Bay goes all the way!
I don't watch MSNBC either.
Since the beginning of this year there have been 316 homicides by gunshot in Chicago. This is raw data, and I do not know whether that includes shots by LEO, self defense, etc. (I think it does NOT include those, but I only got the data, not the specifics).
My point is this. If you use Chicago as the test case for banning guns; since it is one city which has effectively attempted to do so (ban guns except for LEO), in a state that has nearly done the same, The homicide rate in that city of ~3MM is one in ~9,000.
Chicago does NOT have the highest gunshot homicide rate in the nation. But it ranks easily in the top 10, and is far greater than many cities which are in states which not only allow handguns but allow for some sort of CCW.
Unfortunately, and honestly, the data that I found in a brief (<10 minute) search for it has been "tweaked a bit" by me to make Chicago look bad (or rather, worse than it is) in comparison to other cities. In fact, it is not that much worse. In Florida for example, Miami in particular the homicide by gunshot appears to be MUCH higher than Chicago... and Florida is the state we use as an "example" of how well "shall issue" works. But again, I am using RAW data from Googleosity, and haven't back checked or parsed all the facts.
Bottom Line though, is this... Chicago is the closest thing we have in the states to prove or disprove the notion that banning guns will reduce murder by gun. Guns ARE effectively banned in Chicago, especially handguns. It still is in the top ten metro areas in the country for homicide by gunshot. And PROVES that if guns are illegal, criminals will have and use them to commit murder.
It could be worse!