Michelle Obama’s warning to gun owners

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    Michelle Obama’s warning to gun owners By Chris Cox Published: 9:41 AM 10/11/2011 | Updated: 4:17 PM 12/13/201

    Nearly three years into President Obama’s first term in office, Michelle Obama finally said something with which I can agree.

    At a recent fundraiser for President Obama’s re-election campaign in Providence, Rhode Island, the first lady told her audience:

    “We stand at a fundamental crossroads for our country. You’re here because you know that in just 13 months, we’re going to make a choice that will impact our lives for decades to come … let’s not forget what it meant when my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices … let’s not forget the impact that their decisions will have on our lives for decades to come.”

    This was music to the ears of the small, affluent crowd of admirers who cheered and applauded. But to gun owners, Michelle Obama’s remarks should sound like a warning bell, alerting us to the danger ahead should Barack Obama win re-election and get the opportunity to alter the current make-up of the Supreme Court.


    When Americans flock to the polls in 13 months, we will not simply decide which direction our country should take over the next four years. Rather, we will decide whether or not our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms will survive over the next several decades.
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    We all need to be fighting every inch of the way, and working hard for the candidate of our choice now, and then rallying behind the opposition to the arrogance of the current occupants of 1600. Welcome from another part of Colorado.

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    SCOTUS has opined on 2A as relates to keeping arms.

    The right to bear is yet held in limbo by state governments that execute their monopoly of force to restrict for reasons that more enlightened states have proven invalid and in violation of 2A.

    The oldest justice at 78 is Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Replacing her wouldn't alter the current make up of the Supreme Court as regards 2A. If Obama is re-elected, I hope that Justices Kennedy and Scalia, both at 75, can serve for his whole lame duck term. Same for Justices Thomas, Alito, and Roberts.
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    marcclarke supposedly quoting something by Chris Cox, supposedly quoting Mrs. Obama as saying, "When Americans flock to the polls in 13 months, we will not simply decide which direction our country should take over the next four years. Rather, we will decide whether or not our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms will survive over the next several decades"

    So? What is scary about that. It isn't a statement of a position you shouldn't like. It is a statement that the election will decide issues of fundamental rights, including the right to keep and bear arms. Happens in all elections.

    This right (2A) has been attacked by O's predecessors, and by his predecessor's appointees to the Supreme Court, and the Federal Circuit courts. Taken at the statement's face value, it is a pro-gun owner's rights comment; not anti at all.

    Want to test it? Urge your critters in The Senate to pass HR 822 as a clean bill without poison pill amendments. Then we will find out for sure where our president stands. He'll either sign it or not. Then we'll know.
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    Not sure where Obama really stands on guns, but I can say with confidence that his actions suggest that he'd rather use The Constitution as toilet paper than follow it's principles.

    He and his socialist agenda need to go. Another four years of him will destroy us, with or without guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocPMD View Post
    Not sure where Obama really stands on guns, but I can say with confidence that his actions suggest that he'd rather use The Constitution as toilet paper than follow it's principles.

    He and his socialist agenda need to go. Another four years of him will destroy us, with or without guns.
    Really? Never mind, don't answer. Just know that there is another viewpoint in this land too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    marcclarke supposedly quoting something by Chris Cox, supposedly quoting Mrs. Obama as saying, "When Americans flock to the polls in 13 months, we will not simply decide which direction our country should take over the next four years. Rather, we will decide whether or not our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms will survive over the next several decades"

    So? What is scary about that. It isn't a statement of a position you shouldn't like. It is a statement that the election will decide issues of fundamental rights, including the right to keep and bear arms. Happens in all elections.

    This right (2A) has been attacked by O's predecessors, and by his predecessor's appointees to the Supreme Court, and the Federal Circuit courts. Taken at the statement's face value, it is a pro-gun owner's rights comment; not anti at all.

    Want to test it? Urge your critters in The Senate to pass HR 822 as a clean bill without poison pill amendments. Then we will find out for sure where our president stands. He'll either sign it or not. Then we'll know.
    You are quoting Chris Cox - not the first lady. Nothing "suppossed" about it. Supper isn't your best meal, eh, Hop.

    And 822 falls flat. HR2900 is the better alternative. Paul Broun, R-GA, is sponsoring the Secure Access to Firearms Enhancement (SAFE) Act that basically says
    A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.
    GOA says of the bill
    1.It would allow residents of California, New Jersey and other “may issue” states to get out-of-state carry permits (say, from Florida or Utah) and carry in their home states -- an benefit they would not enjoy under the Stearns’ bill;
    2.Broun also protects the right of gun owners in non-permit states like Vermont and allows them to carry out-of-state without a permit; and
    3.Finally, the Broun bill does not rely on an expansive, erroneous interpretation of the Commerce Clause. Passing gun legislation that uses the Commerce Clause for authority could undercut efforts at promoting Firearms Freedom Act legislation throughout the country which specifically declares the Commerce Clause has no authority over the production of intrastate guns.
    HR2900 is more inclusive than SB822 at imposing reciprocity while recognizing state authority. There is a more elegant solution more likely with the next congress and maybe with the current Supreme Court.
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    What is disturbing to me is the thought of Obama getting another SCOTUS appointment or two, which is the implication of the First Ladies statement "let’s not forget what it meant when my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices".

    This is an old quote, and the attribution really does not matter, because the fact remains the next POTUS may well get a SCOTUS appointment or two. No arguing there.

    Arguing about the provenance is silly.

    We all agree the election is important for numerous reasons. Let us focus on our agreements for once. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Really? Never mind, don't answer. Just know that there is another viewpoint in this land too.
    That's what makes this country great, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    marcclarke supposedly quoting something by Chris Cox, supposedly quoting Mrs. Obama as saying, "When Americans flock to the polls in 13 months, we will not simply decide which direction our country should take over the next four years. Rather, we will decide whether or not our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms will survive over the next several decades"
    Correct.

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    There is an old joke that explains How you tell Obama is telling a lie,,,,,
    His lips are Moving,,,,, here is an example of one.


    Quote From the Last Decade - Obama
    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit
    is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can
    not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing
    financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's
    reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us
    domestically and internationally. Leadership means that,
    "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden
    of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
    America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
    Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
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    a famous quote goes--
    the beauty of the 2nd amendment is that it will not be needed till 'they' try to take it away from 'us'

    yet in todays age of , in all relevant ways--a standing army, how can we the people hope to assert
    our rights, to fight back against armored vehicles and jacketed Leo's--against stealth no knocks that honest people's can not stand against.

    not to throw up my hands and run screaming naked into the woods, but i perceive an already pretty successful back door campaign that has gone far in tipping the scales away from any chance what the founding fathers thought was a check & balance could still be a valid concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    a famous quote goes--
    the beauty of the 2nd amendment is that it will not be needed till 'they' try to take it away from 'us'

    yet in today's age of , in all relevant ways--a standing army, how can we the people hope to assert
    our rights, to fight back against armored vehicles and jacketed Leo's--against stealth no knocks that honest people's can not stand against.

    not to throw up my hands and run screaming naked into the woods, but i perceive an already pretty successful back door campaign that has gone far in tipping the scales away from any chance what the founding fathers thought was a check & balance could still be a valid concept.
    Not every uniformed officer and military soldier will comply with any orders to turn against the citizens. All of this technology has to have people to operate it. It can also be defeated as easily as it can be initiated.

    What I fear the most is the country not uniting against any such action from the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tally XD View Post
    Not every uniformed officer and military soldier will comply with any orders to turn against the citizens. All of this technology has to have people to operate it. It can also be defeated as easily as it can be initiated.

    What I fear the most is the country not uniting against any such action from the government.
    Just look at England!
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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    a famous quote goes--
    the beauty of the 2nd amendment is that it will not be needed till 'they' try to take it away from 'us'

    yet in todays age of , in all relevant ways--a standing army, how can we the people hope to assert
    our rights, to fight back against armored vehicles and jacketed Leo's--against stealth no knocks that honest people's can not stand against.

    not to throw up my hands and run screaming naked into the woods, but i perceive an already pretty successful back door campaign that has gone far in tipping the scales away from any chance what the founding fathers thought was a check & balance could still be a valid concept.


    All that technology the armed forces has at it's disposal has not Conquered the primitive AK47 weilding cavemen in the middle east. If they had we wouldnt still be there. Determination and numbers can be significant.

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