Convicted felon? Want to carry a gun? Get elected sheriff.
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February 01, 2012
Convicted felon runs for sheriff in WV
Jerry Weaver is ...
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February 1st, 2012 03:42 PM
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Convicted felon? Want to carry a gun? Get elected sheriff.
Convicted felon runs for sheriff in WV - Law Enforcement News
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February 01, 2012
Convicted felon runs for sheriff in WV
Jerry Weaver is on ballot after serving time for buying votes
By Zack Harold
Charleston Daily Mail
CHARLESTON, W.V.
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Weaver, 62, of Hamlin, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to buy votes in 2005, landing him in federal prison for a year. He is now running for sheriff.
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And, while he is a convicted felon, Weaver could carry a firearm while on the job.
According to U.S. Code, felon gun restrictions don't apply to the "transportation, shipment, receipt, possession or importation" of guns or ammunition for use by the United States, any department or agency of the federal government, any state or any subdivision of a state.
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February 1st, 2012 09:34 PM
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I see no issue with this if he served his punishment and paid his due to society as the Judge and Jury determined after trial.
I am sick at the fact that non-violent citizens who are charged with a felony lose their privilege to vote and their right to self defense. After all it is the same crony law makers who determine what a felony is. Truly violent felonies are a different matter and depending on the nature of that violence they should have a voice and a right to at least be screened by a panel for regaining privilege and right after serving their payment to society. I will not pick a certain crime because that is a tangent for another discussion.
Just my 2cents of an opinion. If the sheriff candidate has true remorse for his crime against our citizens then he should be allowed to regain his right and privilege but he SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED public office again. That I highly disagree with in any case concerning criminal politics.
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February 1st, 2012 09:57 PM
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I am sick at the fact that non-violent citizens who are charged with a felony lose their privilege to vote and their right to self defense.
I'll disagree.
Let's pretend for a moment that Bernie Madoff - who was convicted of stealing a minimum of $18 billion from his clients - was released on parole or had completed his sentence. His felonies were absolutely non-violent. But there is no way this scum, who ruined thousands of lives, should ever be allowed to vote or to enjoy the privilege of firearms ownership for defense or any reason. Same for drug dealers who simply execute "business transactions" without violence.
We could discuss which crimes qualify as felonies, but fundamentally, if you are convicted of a crime that carries a sentence of more than a year in jail, I firmly believe that part of the punishment includes the surrender of certain civil rights.
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February 1st, 2012 10:07 PM
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I dont see how that's gonna work.
Most people that get elected as a Sheriff have to attend some sort of LEO academy in order to get certified.Usally they have a year to do so.
To go to an LEO academy, one must pass a background check, which he wont pass as a convicted felon.
Most state laws prevent convicted felons from carrying guns, or even holding a public office.
With that being said, RUNNING for Sheriff is a far cry from being elected as Sheriff and its more than likely that it wont be an issue unless he does get elected...if its even possible to do so in that state.
So, we shall see.
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February 1st, 2012 10:13 PM
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Felons can petition to have their voting and gun rights restored. It is dealt with on a case by case basis.
As far as I'm concerned, if you go through the process and are successful, more power to ya. If your petition is rejected, then I believe you have to play by the rules.
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February 2nd, 2012 09:14 AM
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I've never heard of a Sheriff getting un-elected if he failed to complete Sheriff training. An election is an election unless there's a resignation, recall or death, at least in VA.
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February 2nd, 2012 09:52 AM
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He might not get unelected but he would not meet the criteria for using the NCIC database or even the State database.
He would be Sheriff in name only, he wouldnt be able to do much legally.
Of course, if he had qualified people that worked for him, it might not matter much.
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February 2nd, 2012 11:18 AM
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quote from the article "If Weaver were elected sheriff, his deputies would be considered his employees and, therefore, could not carry weapons."
So if he gets elected he would render his whole department useless under WV law. How stupid can people be to even let him run in the first place?
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February 2nd, 2012 12:11 PM
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February 2nd, 2012 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by
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I've never heard of a Sheriff getting un-elected if he failed to complete Sheriff training. An election is an election unless there's a resignation, recall or death, at least in VA.
Yup. There are/have been Sheriffs who never completed an academy program.
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February 4th, 2012 01:00 AM
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I'll disagree.
Let's pretend for a moment that Bernie Madoff - who was convicted of stealing a minimum of $18 billion from his clients - was released on parole or had completed his sentence. His felonies were absolutely non-violent. But there is no way this scum, who ruined thousands of lives, should ever be allowed to vote or to enjoy the privilege of firearms ownership for defense or any reason. Same for drug dealers who simply execute "business transactions" without violence.
We could discuss which crimes qualify as felonies, but fundamentally, if you are convicted of a crime that carries a sentence of more than a year in jail, I firmly believe that part of the punishment includes the surrender of certain civil rights.
And your very own US government is Angelic and Godlike in everything they do, yet the Citizens of this country are completely ruined for life for a non violent felony..... I think you are living under a Vail of Lies or you believe in double standards.
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February 4th, 2012 02:12 AM
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Sometimes people do things out of desperation and as a result break the "Law of the land"some offenses are misdemeanors and some are felonies,I believe it comes down to the nature of the crime,any previous convictions,and if the person has changed and become a responsible productive member of society.
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February 4th, 2012 09:49 AM
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So he gets accused, convicted and sentenced for ELECTION FRAUD............and is running for OFFICE? Has he no shame? That takes some steel, even in WV By God. I for one, hope his constituents show him the door immediately.
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February 5th, 2012 01:59 PM
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Well folks, NEVER underestimate the power of the West Virginia voter. They will put people into office that absolutely have no business whatsoever of being there.
Case in point. Back in the 1990's, my county, Cabell, had a Sheriff that died of pancreatic cancer while in office. He was on the ballot for re-election and when his death occured, it was too late to remove him from the ballot. He got re-elected and was dead. The County Commission had to appoint one and they picked a 90 year old former Sheriff to replace the newly-elected deceased one. Got us on the front page of the Enquirer.
We also have a Mason Co. Sheriff now who is in a vat of hot water over misuse of county vehicles, getting drunk and shooting over the head of a youth. The County Commission is wanting to remove him from office, yet, he is back to work and put his name on the ballot for the primary to get the nomination to run for Sheriff. He also "demoted" his Chief Deputy over this "scandal" because he would not back the tainted Sheriff.
Weaver has a good chance of getting voted in as Sheriff of Lincoln Co. WV, it's the mentality of the voters to vote ONE party only, no matter how bad the candidate is or what he/she has done or is convicted of. Or dead for that matter.
I know. I work the polls and it amazes me why and how people vote. Many of those same people might also be packing guns too!
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