Special treatment for retired Commonwealth Attorneys

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    Special treatment for retired Commonwealth Attorneys

    [Re-posted from a VA-ALERT with prior approval of VCDL]

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    Tonight Delegate Scott Lingamfelter's bill HB 929 passed out of subcommittee. VCDL opposes this bill because it lets RETIRED Commonwealth Attorneys carry concealed handguns everywhere they go, including places that a concealed handgun permit holder can't carry, such as on K-12 school grounds! Also their names, addresses and other personal information can't be given out by a Circuit Court Clerk like it can for a CHP holder.

    HB 929 creates an unacceptable double standard. Lawyers who retire from the Commonwealth, and who have no firearms training, are given extraordinary concealed carry privileges, that are denied to CHP holders who have had firearms training!

    The government loves to arm itself while denying the same level of protection to the citizens it is supposed to be serving.

    I, for one, am tired of it.

    It's not that we want retired Commonwealth Attorneys disarmed. Quite the contrary, they absolutely should be allowed to carry a gun for self-defense and a CHP will do the job nicely. Their lives are not less valuable than your life or mine, BUT their lives are also NOT MORE valuable than your life or mine.

    Delegate Lingamfelter is usually good on guns, but this bill is simply wrong.

    Let's tell our Delegates to OPPOSE HB 929. Click on the link below:

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    How will this work? Will they be issued some kind of badge to carry?
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    I don't know.

    I suspect some sort of ID card, or maybe the fact they were retired CAs would be loaded SP data-base in the field that shows CHP, active LEO, wants & warrants, etc when LEO do a check of DL.

    I'll do some checking and see what I can find out.

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    Did some checking.

    The attorney for the subcommittee inferred that some that sort of card would be issued even though they would be exempted from the application process but was vague as to the details.
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    Done! Thanks Dave!
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    I couldn't believe this one when I got the email.

    You bet I sent that email out.

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    Why wouldnt a retired "commonwealth" court officer (read lawyer here) get the same privilage as law enforcement in the jurisdiction regarding CC ??..probably would be a good idea to run these worthys thru the "commonwealth" police weapons training as a prerequesite to LE like armed status...AS IF a retired AG wouldnt get all the rythm they needed for whatEVER.... .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptSmith View Post
    Why wouldnt a retired "commonwealth" court officer (read lawyer here) get the same privilage as law enforcement in the jurisdiction regarding CC ??..probably would be a good idea to run these worthys thru the "commonwealth" police weapons training as a prerequesite to LE like armed status...AS IF a retired AG wouldnt get all the rythm they needed for whatEVER.... .02
    Couldn't agree more!

    See my earlier comment #3 at Legislative Update 2/3/12 - mixed news
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    Remember Animal Farm: All animals are created equal. Some are just a little more equal than others.

    This seems like it's cut from the same cloth as the proposed bill in CA last year to let congress members, state assembly members and some other officials be automatically deemed to have met the "need" requirement to get a CA CCW permit.
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    Biggest secret in the District of Columbia...what elected US representitive officials have special US marshall permits so they can "defensive carry" in the jurisdiction...every once in a while news of this perkolates to the surface...kinda like the gay congress men that "bash" and pose anti-gay of late... .02

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    This is why IO have always been against any special laws that allow the government to award a chosen few special rights. I was against it when it only applied to police as well.
    The rules and laws should apply equally to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptSmith View Post
    Biggest secret in the District of Columbia...what elected US representitive officials have special US marshall permits so they can "defensive carry" in the jurisdiction...every once in a while news of this perkolates to the surface...kinda like the gay congress men that "bash" and pose anti-gay of late... .02
    Marshal Service may have "deputized" congresscritters in the past, but this memo from DOJ would seem to have put a stop to that.
    http://www.justice.gov/olc/depmar.htm
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    Here is a thought - how about lifetime carry permits for former jury members? Seems fair if a former CA can have one. Just another example of those in authority thinking they are special somehow. The rules need to apply to everyone equally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    Here is a thought - how about lifetime carry permits for former jury members? Seems fair if a former CA can have one. Just another example of those in authority thinking they are special somehow. The rules need to apply to everyone equally.
    Sounds like a plan.

    Dangerous convicted felons do threaten to get even with jury members, as well as Judges, prosecutors, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveH View Post
    Sounds like a plan.

    Dangerous convicted felons do threaten to get even with jury members, as well as Judges, prosecutors, etc.
    Actually, I think prosecutors are usually thought of by defendants more as "a part of the machine" than as individuals. Because it is less personal with prosecutors, defendants do not regularly target them for revenge. There are some exceptions, of course, but outside of television, it is rare that prosecutors are targetted.

    (Most likely targets are witnesses, who are both accessible and "personal". I believe it is defense attorneys next. A defendant has a face-to-face relationship with his/her lawyer, so a dissatisfied defendant may take it more personally with them. Even that is relatively rare, though. 'Course, police may be in a different space -- they can be "personal", but they may be thought of as more "dangerous" than others.)

    While prosecutors may undergo some extensive background checks, there is no truly solid reason to think they are any more responsible with guns than "regular" folks who get carry permits; and, their "need" is not (usually) inflated to the point that they should have any special dispensation as a matter of course.

    I like VCDL's position that rather than taking rights away from prosecutors, the state should give more to CCW holders. Should be equal.

    BUT, even if prosecutors did need "special" priviledges by virtue of their public positions, beyond what "regular" CCW citizens have, then they should be responsibly trained -- AND to a higher standard than "regular" CCW citizens. If "extra" priviledges are needed, related to public positions, they should invoke corresponding "extra" responsibility. (Somevody said put 'em through police training. Sounds reasonable to me.)

    AND, to think prosecutors somehow magically transcend the need for training, just because they are good behind a desk and can talk in court, is ivory-tower fantasy.

    Basically, I agree, though, that this looks too "special". Former prosecutor, by the way. Doesn't mean I'm necessarily right, but I've got a perspective.

    (All of this doesn't mean you don't feel like watching your back, of course. I was acquainted with one instance, and ... well ... you never know.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctr View Post
    Here is a thought - how about lifetime carry permits for former jury members? Seems fair if a former CA can have one. Just another example of those in authority thinking they are special somehow. The rules need to apply to everyone equally.
    Yup. Could be.

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