Meaning of Liebermanís Defeat to Gun Owners

This is a discussion on Meaning of Liebermanís Defeat to Gun Owners within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; The Reality Check ^ | 21 August 2006 | Larry Pratt Both Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) and Ned Lamont who defeated him in the Connecticut ...

Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Meaning of Liebermanís Defeat to Gun Owners

  1. #1
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,781

    Meaning of Liebermanís Defeat to Gun Owners

    The Reality Check ^ | 21 August 2006 | Larry Pratt

    Both Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) and Ned Lamont who defeated him in the Connecticut Democrat primary are anti-gun. Nevertheless, gun owners should pay attention to the outcome of this race. Indeed, anyone interested in survival should pay attention.

    From all that anyone can determine, the only issue that separated Lieberman and Lamont is the war against terrorists. Lieberman, although an enemy of personal self defense, was an unabashed supporter of defending America from Muslim crusaders intent on killing every man, woman and child on earth who does not proclaim themselves to be Muslim.

    Fourteen hundred years of jihad is not enough evidence for the Democrat left. They are unconcerned about those who today proclaim jihad even while beheading and exploding as many people as possible in the name of their religion.

    Since the left is typically unconcerned about religion, they seem to be incapable of accepting the reality that anybody else might be motivated by religious beliefs.

    The students of the Ď60ís who lionized mass murderers such as Che Guevara, Mao Tse Tung and Fidel Castro are now the professors, media elite and other Democrat party activists who still lionize their old heroes Ė and now also are apologists for Muslim terrorists.

    The self-destructive view of the Democrat left goes well beyond the naÔve mantra that ďviolence never solved anything.Ē Tell that to the people of the south of Sudan. They stopped the genocide of some 2,000,000 non-Muslims by the jihadi regime that illegitimately rules the country. The Sudanese Peopleís Liberation Army did not stop the jihad by talking. They did it by shooting and killing Muslim crusaders before they could kill any more.

    The Democrat Leftís support of terrorists derives from self-hatred. They are convinced that Americans, and Westerners in general (but also including African Christians who were slaughtered without a peep from the Left), are the source of violence and resentment in the world. Because we have caused the problem, they believe, we deserve to be attacked. This belief is so deep set that the Left believes self defense and retaliation are morally unacceptable.

    We should not think that the Democrat Leftís hatred is reserved for President Bush. They hate him because he is fighting back against terrorists. Thus, anyone connected with national defense Ė even a socialist such as Sen. Lieberman Ė gets treated to the same scathing hatred that has been directed toward President Bush.

    If Liebermanís defeat is a harbinger of future elections, any Democrat who believes in self defense, be it personal or national, can expect to get the same treatment. And of course, Republicans can expect to get more of the same as long as they support self defense.

    The issue of our age is self defense. The Democrat Left has drawn a line in the sand in Connecticut. They are against survival.

    Larry Pratt is Executive Director of Gun Owners of America, a national gun lobby with over 300,000 members located at 8001 Forbes Place, Springfield, VA 22151, (703) 321-8585.

    ExSoldier's Note: (taken from the article's responses)

    An excellent message that needs to be repeated over and over and over..... It doesn't matter if it is gun ownership, home invasion or national security.... It doesn't matter if it is a burglar, a rapist, a murderer or a terrorist/jihadist... The issue of our age is self defense. The Democrat Left has drawn a line in the sand in Connecticut. They are against survival.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #2
    Lead Moderator
    Array rstickle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Laurel, MD
    Posts
    21,700
    I wouldn't count Lieberman out yet, given the news/poll reports of the last couple of days.
    Rick

    EOD - Initial success or total failure

  4. #3
    VIP Member Array ELCruisr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Central FL
    Posts
    2,073
    "The self-destructive view of the Democrat left goes well beyond the naÔve mantra that “violence never solved anything."

    Oh, yeah. I love that type. When confronted with this particular form of lunacy I like to ask if they have ever read any history, modern or ancient. It takes a really bizarre form of blindness to believe this way.

    By the way Ex, nice little write up there. It seems that the polarization of politics gets worse every election, or maybe I'm getting older. Very few seem to know the meaning of "moderation" any more. While I occasionally disagree with the right the left is so far out there that I can't see 'em with my binoculars any more!
    If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good. ~ Thomas J. Watson, Jr.

  5. #4
    VIP Member Array ExSoldier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Coral Gables, FL
    Posts
    5,781

    I'm Just the POSTER.....Not the author....lol

    Quote Originally Posted by ELCruisr View Post
    "The self-destructive view of the Democrat left goes well beyond the naÔve mantra that ďviolence never solved anything."

    Oh, yeah. I love that type. When confronted with this particular form of lunacy I like to ask if they have ever read any history, modern or ancient. It takes a really bizarre form of blindness to believe this way.

    By the way Ex, nice little write up there. It seems that the polarization of politics gets worse every election, or maybe I'm getting older. Very few seem to know the meaning of "moderation" any more. While I occasionally disagree with the right the left is so far out there that I can't see 'em with my binoculars any more!
    I just found it over on Free Republic and thought y'all would like it.

    Did you ever read the book by Robert A. Heinlein called StarShip Troopers? The book not that abortion of a movie. In the book the soon to be infantrymen is sitting in an "ethics" class I think and some petulane little girl is squeaking about how violence never settles anything and the professor, a former Infantry Colonel himself, fires back with this: Raw violence, naked force has settled more issues in history than any other method! Just ask the citizens of Carthage. Ask the defenders at The Alamo.

    That is just one AWESOME book! You know, I have met more soldiers...especially among my friends in SpecOps who have read that book as a kid and sworn it was a factor in joining the military.
    Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.

  6. #5
    Moderator
    Array Rock and Glock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Colorado at 11,650'
    Posts
    12,250
    Great post and write up. The Dems seem to smell blood, and are staging a rally. Meanwhile, the polarization continues, and becomes more extreme while the Republicans fiddle............

  7. #6
    VIP Member
    Array goawayfarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Fork Union, Virginia
    Posts
    2,691
    The left doesn't remember history...even recent history.

    I'm to the point where I am sick & tired of all the political correctness. It has invaded our society to the point where we can't call anything or anybody by what they really are. We now have 'sanitation engineer' instead of garbage man, criminal is now the 'accused', short people are 'vertically challenged', fat people are 'gravity challenged'....you probably get my point........

    We have allowed this nonsense that 'we don't want to offend anybody' to ingrain itself in our populace, that everybody is afraid to say out loud what EVERYBODY is really thinking.

    Many gun owners are guilty of allowing our rights to be trampled because of political correctness. Most are afraid of standing up & saying 'ENOUGH ALREADY, WE ARE THE GOO0D GUYS'.

    We are not going to correct real problems with real terrorists by being PC. We need to stand up & call a spade a spade!(I mean the card suit not the other.............there I go....being PC during a rant about PC....)

    In the case of terrorism, it is NOT some grandma from Nebraska who is attacking this country.

    IT IS MUSLIM EXTREMISTS!!!!!

    You can't watch one news cast where the announcer doesn't qualify a statement about Islamic attacks without saying that Islam is a religion of peace. What a load of crap. You know it, I know it, but everybody is afraid to say what they think. Their intent is to either convert you OR kill you.

    Take this short test:
    Do you remember?

    -1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
    a. Superman
    b. Jay Lenno
    c. Harry Potter
    d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

    1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
    a. Olga Corbett
    b. Sitting Bull
    c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
    a. Lost Norwegians
    b. Elvis
    c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    3.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
    a. John Dillinger
    b. The King of Sweden
    c. The Boy Scouts
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
    a. A pizza delivery boy
    b. Pee Wee Herman
    c. Geraldo Riv era
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
    a. The Smurfs
    b. Davy Jones
    c. The Little Mermaid
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
    a. Captain Kidd
    b. Charles Lindberg
    c. Mother Teresa
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 1 7 and 40

    7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
    a. Scooby Doo
    b. The Tooth Fairy
    c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
    a. Richard Simmons
    b. Grandma Moses
    c. Michael Jordan
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
    a. Mr. Rogers
    b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
    c. The World Wrestling Federation
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
    a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
    b. The Supreme Court of Florida
    c. Mr. Bea n
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
    a. Enron
    b. The Lutheran Church
    c. The NFL
    d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
    a. Bonnie and Clyde
    b. Captain Kangaroo
    c. Billy Graham
    d. Muslim male extremist s mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    13. 2004 - Spain Railway bombings.
    Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


    AND NOW !


    14. 2005 London Railway bombings.
    Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

    Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

    So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressm en with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave
    Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.
    Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.-Seneca

    "If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. If I have a gun, what do I have to be paranoid about?" -Clint Smith

    "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper

  8. #7
    VIP Member Array SammyIamToday's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Posts
    2,087
    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    I just found it over on Free Republic and thought y'all would like it.

    Did you ever read the book by Robert A. Heinlein called StarShip Troopers? The book not that abortion of a movie. In the book the soon to be infantrymen is sitting in an "ethics" class I think and some petulane little girl is squeaking about how violence never settles anything and the professor, a former Infantry Colonel himself, fires back with this: Raw violence, naked force has settled more issues in history than any other method! Just ask the citizens of Carthage. Ask the defenders at The Alamo.

    That is just one AWESOME book! You know, I have met more soldiers...especially among my friends in SpecOps who have read that book as a kid and sworn it was a factor in joining the military.

    The book is indeed awesome. If what I read is correct he wrote it as as a thesis for his idea of the perfect government setup. The only ones that can vote are the ones that have given of themselves to society. I can definitely see his points and either way, the book is awesome.

    The movie was a big let down though. The MI didn't even have the armored suits.

  9. #8
    VIP Member Array ELCruisr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Central FL
    Posts
    2,073
    Not only did I read the book as a kid but still have a copy and read it every few years still. I think it's his best work. Very interesting ideas on govt. You won't lay your life on the line for your country? You don't vote or run for office, hmmmm.

    His ideas of teaching ethics in school are interesting as well, very non PC!

    And yes, the movie was a joke compared to the book, a real let down.

    I've had a few conversations with way left young people that have left me wondering if they even teach critical thinking in school any more. One young lady is well educated and pursueing a law degree, She is convinced that the root of all evil is guns and gun owners. Why without guns there would be no violence or crime! She is so convinced of their danger she will not set foot in a house if she knows there is a firearm there. After all, a properly stored gun just might fall over at the sight of her, switch into full auto mode and kill her. Her fear reaches the level of true paranoia. So I tried the kind and gentle approach and pointed out events in recent history of how without guns, she might never have been born or at least to a very different, and less kind, world. No good, her legal training not withstanding she would depart from critical thinking into blind emotional reaction with every statement. I fear the Brady Bunch will love her. Is anyone teaching critical thinking in school anymore?
    If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good. ~ Thomas J. Watson, Jr.

  10. #9
    Senior Member Array gregarat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    US
    Posts
    862
    I agree with the best selling Author, PHD, and radio show host Mike Savage.

    "Liberalism, is a mental disorder" He also compaires Liberals with Comunists, and the cruent Republican party with the Democratic party of the 50's.

  11. #10
    Senior Member Array Zundfolge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Posts
    516
    Support of gun control is one of the major things that kept Al Gore from being elected president ... if the DNC wants to go harder left and put up harder core antis then let them ... it will spell their doom.


    For what its worth, I believe that Liberman will still be the Senator from Connecticut after the election only with an "I" in parenthesis after his name instead of a "D".

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. PLEASE help defeat Barney Frank
    By 1 old 0311 in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: October 12th, 2010, 06:01 PM
  2. South Carolinians: Defeat Henry McMaster June 8 in the Republican primary
    By SCGunGuy in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: May 27th, 2010, 01:00 PM
  3. Just what is the meaning of +P
    By faif2d in forum Reloading
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: July 1st, 2009, 05:04 PM
  4. How to defeat a carjacker
    By DirksterG30 in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: November 11th, 2005, 10:56 AM