This is a discussion on Anti-gun celebrities within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by TX expat Funny how many of them don't mind making movies with guns since it nets them some cash. It just further ...
Unfortunately today's glitterati and pollywood in general don't measure up when compared to the greats with whom I grew up, like John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Roy Rogers, Steve Mcqueen, Vic Morrow, to name but a few.
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It's not a matter of differing politics. I don't dictate what people should think. A person has a right to be anti-gun, though not at the expense of my rights such as those in the BOR.
There's a wide gulf between the antis and myself, and I refuse to compromise and want to know my enemy so that I can boycott.
I applaud , lazytl, for your principled stand and am glad to know you, here.
In comparing the pro-gun to the anti-gun star list, I find this:
Leslie Moonves is CBS' Chief Executive Producer. Bellisario and Selleck are pros. Harmon is anti. Ideas do play out in life. If the artists can sever relations, why not us patrons?Bellisario has had long ties to CBS. Besides "NCIS," he also created "JAG," which was the father of "NCIS" and ran on CBS for many years after a short stint on NBC. He also created "Magnum P.I.," which made Tom Selleck a star. He was forced off "NCIS" for reasons that the network never disclosed. Those close to the creator said he was pushed out after clashing with Mark Harmon, the star of the show who has a long relationship with Moonves.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
I might be wrong, but my impression has always been that Donnie Wahlberg was more pro-gun. Or at minimum, not ANTI, but might be an incorrect assumption. Wonder if I'm right and that he's not of the same attitude of his brother, or that he is just not vocal about it?
My hope is that hanging around Tom Selleck, he has been educated a little bit.
My personal theory on anti-gun celebrities:
They should not be allowed to handle firearms in movies. Any profits from movies they have done in the past where they use firearms should be donated to random food pantries. If you don't want other people to have firearms you should not be allowed to profit by using them yourself.
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A couple of people here have remarked that celebrities are entitled to their opinions and positions on issues, just like the rest of us. I agree. The problems I have with them:
1. They are presumed by too many of the voting public to have special wisdom, knowledge and insight that us common citizens do not. Therefore, what the celebs say is given more credibility than it deserves. Alec Baldwin's opinion is not worth more than mine...or yours.
2. These people make big money from our movie tickets, CD and iTunes purchases, DVD movies, etc. In turn they use a portion of that money to support the attack on our 2nd Amendment rights.
That is my objection.
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1. Your first point is a problem with the dumbing of America and its citizens. You can not fault the actor/actress for that. I go see the same movies as everybody else (well, I wait till they are on DVD) and I am not swayed by what they are portraying. Besides, look back in cinema history. You do not think the US public was not swayed by films during WWII that showed how glorious war was and looked upon some of the roles played by the stars as true representations of soldiers and sailors and marines?
2. You, I and others make money and some of us donate it to the NRA and GOA. So they get thier money from the public. It isn't tax money. It is their earnings. And a lot of the films actually glorify guns and viloence.
Films, unfortunately, have always been used for propaganda purposes. John Wayne's "The Green Berets" probably being one of the worst examples. However, we have more of a "cult of personality" now than we did two generations ago. Meryl Streep, who at the time was my favorite actress, once nearly sank the apple industry with unsubstantiated claims about dangerous additives. Fortunately, it was quickly proven that she was a great actress but a lousy scientist. Lisa Bonet, post-The Cosby Show - tried to ride political correctness to celebrity-dom but again the public saw a disconnect between her self-righteous rants and the sleazy roles she played once she got on the big screen.Suntzu is right in claiming "they get their money from the public." What some of us are say is "not my money." Hollywood is fueled by money. The highest-grossing films are almost always family-friendly fare, so you would think films depicting morality, decency or patriotism would be more honored by award committees, the press, and producers and stars themselves. Stars take themselves very seriously. They believe their anti-gun rants are on the same level as the speeches of Martin Luther King and their literature and films on equal footing with "To Kill a Mockingbird." Not supporting radical celebrities is simply one way of voting "no" to their agenda. For me, and this is just my opinion, it is more honest than saying, "gee, I hate everything you stand for, but here's $10, make another movie."
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What do you do if a great movie comes out about Reagan getting shot with Charlton Heston (pro) playing President Reagan and Kevin Bacon (anti)playing Hinkley? Sara Brady is played by Kim Delaney (pro) and James Brady played by Alec Baldwin (anti) The theme song sung by Shania Twain (anti) and Ted Nugent(pro)
Was it that they oppose certain types of weapons? We have members here who are opposed to certain types of guns.
Was it that they oppose open carry? We have members here who also oppose that.
What about concealed carry, silencers, 50 caliber sniper rifles, we have members here on both sides of those issues as well.
Is a person who likes to go duck hunting but is against you carrying a uzi in your vehicle anti-gun?
Last edited by mlr1m; March 11th, 2012 at 09:53 PM. Reason: I made an oopsie
Michael makes some good points.
As to suntzu's theoretical movie, I would have to consider the theme not the cast in this film. An "ensemble" film is different than a "star vehicle" film. If the film had a pro-Brady point of view, no, I wouldn't go. Viewing the trailers would probably be sufficient to determine the theme.
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I, for one, am ALL FOR gun control...
...How else are you going to hit the target??!!
"Gun control should mean hitting your target every time."
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