HR 5122...READ this and get MAD!!!!!

HR 5122...READ this and get MAD!!!!!

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    HR 5122...READ this and get MAD!!!!!

    I guess this would be the best forum to put this. I got this email from georgiagun.org. EVERYONE needs to find out how your Congress-Critter voted on this, and take action accordingly. If this goes thru, we all could be subject to New Orleans-type confiscations.

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    (Atlanta, August 28) -- You're going to get mad when you read this:

    A dangerous sneak attack on the Second Amendment has passed the U.S. House of Representatives, buried deep in the H.R. 5122 Defense Dept. bill.

    Most of the Georgia congressmen voted for it. Now some are claiming they didn't know about the law. Try telling that to a judge!

    H.R. 5122 contains a hidden provision (Sec. 511) that virtually guts the militia clause of the Second Amendment. An attack on any part of the Second Amendment is ultimately an attack on your individual right to keep and bear arms.

    The sneak attack strips away control of the National Guard from the States, putting it under command of the federal military.

    Imagine a hurricane hitting Savannah or Brunswick, and an anti-gun President sending in Guardsmen to confiscate people's guns.

    Instead of being acountable to politicians elected by the people of Georgia, our state National Guard could effectively fall under direct command of the White House. Yep, you guessed it: somebody like Hillary Clinton!

    While this nightmare hasn't happened yet, unless you get on your Congressman right away, it's only a matter of time.

    Sec. 511 of H.R. 5122 is the biggest double-cross in a hundred years. In 1903, the states agreed to federalizing the National Guard in exchange for equipment only if units stayed largely under state control. The federal military could only take command if units were ordered on duty OUTSIDE the United States.

    Now anti-gunners working in the Bush administration are plotting to strip states of their remaining control over the National Guard. They know full well if they weaken the Second Amendment, it will be easier to attack your right of private firearms ownership.

    Incredibly, after the feds botched the response to Hurricane Katrina last year, they're promising to do a better job next time if they can gain command of the National Guard for state operations.

    To help stop this brazen power grab, you need to get on your Congressman right away--while they're back home campaigning through Labor Day.

    Even though H.R. 5122 has already passed the House, Congress has to vote on it again after differences with the Senate version have been ironed out.

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    ACTION ITEMS

    <merlock: removed GA congresscritters>

    If your Congressman is on this list, phone his district office at the number shown above. Say you're mad he voted for this sneak attack on the Second Amendment. To make double-sure your message gets through, send it again by e-mail. Work off the pre-written message below, or better yet, use your own words. If your Congressman isn't on the list, pick one at random.

    b) Reps. Cynthia McKinney (D-Decatur) and John Lewis (D-Atlanta) voted AGAINST the H.R. 5122 Defense Dept. bill as token anti-war gestures. They voted right for the wrong reason. Do NOT call and thank them.

    <merlock: HAHAHAHAHAHHA >

    c) IMPORTANT: please forward a copy of this e-mail immediately to three (3) people you know who owns guns or supports the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

    pre-written message:

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    Dear Congressman__________________

    I'm shocked you voted for the sneak attack on the Second Amendment buried in H.R. 5122. An attack on any part of the Second Amendment is ultimately an attack on my individual right to keep and bear arms. Please let me know what you're doing to stop final passage of this assault on the security of a free Georgia.

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    <end message>

    This could really start a grass-roots effort. PLEASE post this on other forums you belong to, just give credit to georgiagun.org.

    And, CALL YOUR CONGRESS-CRITTER!!!!!!!

    merlock


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    How is anyone supposed to make heads ot tails of this?

    SEC. 511. REVISIONS TO RESERVE CALL-UP AUTHORITY.

    (a) Maximum Number of Days- Subsection (a) of section 12304 of title 10, United States Code, is amended by striking `270 days' and inserting `365.'

    (b) Support for Disasters- Such section is further amended--

    (1) in subsection (b)--

    (A) by striking `or' at the end of paragraph (1);

    (B) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (2) and inserting `; or'; and

    (C) by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

    `(3) a serious natural or manmade disaster, accident, or catastrophe that occurs in the United States, its territories and possessions, or Puerto Rico.'; and

    (2) in subsection (c)(1)--

    (A) by striking `title or,' and inserting `title,'; and

    (B) by striking `, to provide' and all that follows through the end and inserting a period.

    (c) Fair Treatment- Such section is further amended--

    (1) by redesignating subsection (i) as subsection (j); and

    (2) by inserting after subsection (h) the following new subsection (i):

    `(i) Considerations for Involuntary Order to Active Duty- (1) In determining which members of the Selected Reserve and Individual Ready Reserve will be ordered to duty without their consent under this section, appropriate consideration shall be given to--

    `(A) the length and nature of previous service, to assure such sharing of exposure to hazards as the national security and military requirements will reasonably allow;

    `(B) family responsibilities; and

    `(C) employment necessary to maintain the national health, safety, or interest.

    `(2) The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such policies and procedures as the Secretary considers necessary to carry out this subsection.'.
    here is the link to the whole thing.H.R. 5122 check out version #2


    I think this is the heart of the matter.
    The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such policies and procedures as the Secretary considers necessary to carry out this subsection.'.
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    If you want to know what it really means, go to this link.

    http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/f...20%20%20%20%20

    That is the current section of the law that they are changing.
    The title is
    TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES

    Subtitle E - Reserve Components

    PART II - PERSONNEL GENERALLY

    CHAPTER 1209 - ACTIVE DUTY

    Before anyone gets their shorts in a wad over all of this, read what the current law is, and look at the effective changes. All you have to do is follow the instructions in HR 5122. This is after the national guard has been called into active service. If you read carefully, this is all stuff that was done after 9/11 by the current administration.

    Then if your still in a wad over it all, remember what congress and the senate are doing in November and get rid the incumbents.

    FYI, it ain't just the anti-gunners or lefties, or whatever you want to call them that are going after your rights, it is all of them, republicans and democrats both that want to have the control, and they will use fear of terrorist, or crime or whatever to try to scare you into supporting what they want to do.
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    Has anybody sent this to NRA ILA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    If you want to know what it really means, go to this link.

    http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/f...20%20%20%20%20

    That is the current section of the law that they are changing.
    The title is
    TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES

    Subtitle E - Reserve Components

    PART II - PERSONNEL GENERALLY

    CHAPTER 1209 - ACTIVE DUTY

    Before anyone gets their shorts in a wad over all of this, read what the current law is, and look at the effective changes. All you have to do is follow the instructions in HR 5122. This is after the national guard has been called into active service. If you read carefully, this is all stuff that was done after 9/11 by the current administration.

    Then if your still in a wad over it all, remember what congress and the senate are doing in November and get rid the incumbents.

    FYI, it ain't just the anti-gunners or lefties, or whatever you want to call them that are going after your rights, it is all of them, republicans and democrats both that want to have the control, and they will use fear of terrorist, or crime or whatever to try to scare you into supporting what they want to do.
    Well said!

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    that the NRA was on top of this stuff?

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    The National Guard is not the militia refered to in the Second Amendment. All the People are the militia , it is not a formal organization. The National Guard is a standby military unit with specific members ,That can be called up in an emergency and they have to go. The militia is something that is formed seperate from the Guard from volenteers at the time of an emergency, such as the Police Officers that volunteered from other states to help in New Orleans.

    Do not fall into the Trap the Antis try and set. They keep insinuating that the National Guard is the Militia when it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raevan View Post
    The National Guard is not the militia refered to in the Second Amendment. All the People are the militia , it is not a formal organization. The National Guard is a standby military unit with specific members ,That can be called up in an emergency and they have to go. The militia is something that is formed seperate from the Guard from volenteers at the time of an emergency, such as the Police Officers that volunteered from other states to help in New Orleans.

    Do not fall into the Trap the Antis try and set. They keep insinuating that the National Guard is the Militia when it is not.
    Agreed! I don't see where the National Guard has anything to do with the 2A. Where are they getting this?
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    The Virginia National Guard has a quasi-militia component. It is all voluntary, unpaid. They assist in guard activities and training, especially when the guard is deployed. Their website is strangely silent on whether the volunteers utilize weapons.

    http://www.virginiadefenseforce.org/
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