Update on Brian Aitken's case in NJ

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    Ha...............one of the worst places on earth.
    Had over 25+ years working there...was there during thr Riots in the 60's......will never go back......just a horrible place of filth and crime of all sorts.
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    It was Newark, Paterson and Jersey City that got me thinking about self-defense in the first place.
    I'm one of those 'nutty' metal detecting guys you sometimes see in a park or at the beach.
    Since I hunt for old coins and jewelry (and I've found a lot of valuable stuff) I focus on the oldest parks.
    And here in Jersey, those parks are usually in iffy neighborhoods.
    I've had a number of really close calls over the years. SA, my large digger 'knife', some bluster and the Good Lord, have kept me safe so far.
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    If you by some strange twist of fate get a permit in Jersey and shoot someone with ball ammo, it over-penetrates and injures someone else, can you sue the state for not allowing the use of Hollow Points?
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    I first read about Brian yesterday (Brian Aitken: Father sent to jail and barred from seeing son for possessing gun | Mail Online). After reading about him, I searched DC and found this thread. I'm shocked that he could have been arrested in the first place. What reasonable cause did the police have to search his vehicle? His defense team must not have been so strong and why couldn't they get a mistrial when the judge failed to charge the jury properly?

    After finding out that he is still convicted of possessing hollow points, I had to explain to my wife why hollow points are actually less dangerous than ball ammo. I found this excellent article that makes all the right points:

    Are Hollowpoint Bullets More Dangerous? | Cornered Cat

    My wife had accepted the media lies and misinformation about the ammo, but I'm glad she read this article and now understands the truth.

    Unfortunately, I was born and raised in NJ. But I thank God every day for giving me the opportunity back in 1987 to leave that sorry excuse for a state. I hope I never have to set foot there again.
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    Look.................that's what I carry....Hard Ball....worked for years in the Phillipines and throughout Europe.....and If by chance I'm forced to use deadly force to save myself.....well as fate would have it...I'm not worrying about pass through shots.......wrong place wrong time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    After finding out that he is still convicted of possessing hollow points, I had to explain to my wife why hollow points are actually less dangerous than ball ammo.
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    It makes no logical sense that the mere possession of hollow point bullets in NJ is a felony. They are perfectly legal in other states. If a person is going to be branded a felon, it should be for an offense that is deemed a felony in all states.
    Seems to me that "felony" should absolutely, at minimum, equate to harm of innocents in some way, shape or form. Mere possession doesn't do that, not ever. No matter how many folks get bent about possibilities in their fearful little minds.

    I'm thankful to live in a free state. It's nice to be free.
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    And in DC you get the same treatment for a spent shell casing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    actually the lower court judge is the BG here, he refused to allow the laws of NJ to be properly applied in this case, the there allows you to transport your weapons in your car as long as they are not loaded and in a locked box. aikens was in compliance with the law and the judge would not allow him to use the actual law as a defense. a real crock of crap!
    I wonder what the judge was packing under his robe-or maybe it was a pair of panties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigamortis View Post
    It makes no logical sense that the mere possession of hollow point bullets in NJ is a felony. They are perfectly legal in other states. If a person is going to be branded a felon, it should be for an offense that is deemed a felony in all states. As it stands now, a person can be branded a nationally recognized felon for doing something that is perfectly legal in one state but not another. The sad outcome in this case is that he won't be able to own a gun in any state.
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    That probably is the purpose of the law.
    Yep...make as many laws as possible and make them so discombobulated that you can't possibly LIVE without committing some sort of "heinous" crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigamortis View Post
    It makes no logical sense that the mere possession of hollow point bullets in NJ is a felony. They are perfectly legal in other states. If a person is going to be branded a felon, it should be for an offense that is deemed a felony in all states. As it stands now, a person can be branded a nationally recognized felon for doing something that is perfectly legal in one state but not another. The sad outcome in this case is that he won't be able to own a gun in any state.
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    That probably is the purpose of the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Seems to me that "felony" should absolutely, at minimum, equate to harm of innocents in some way, shape or form. Mere possession doesn't do that, not ever. No matter how many folks get bent about possibilities in their fearful little minds.

    I'm thankful to live in a free state. It's nice to be free.
    Slight side note, but you're probably not free. You own a home, even outright without a mortgage? Pay taxes on it don't ya? Yeah...You're free all right. Free to bend over for life on something you worked for, squirreled away for, and finally paid for. Now it's yours...or is it?
    "My God David, We're a Civilized society."

    "Sure, As long as the machines are workin' and you can call 911. But you take those things away, you throw people in the dark, and you scare the **** out of them; no more rules...You'll see how primitive they can get."
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    Eliminate taxes, wait a few years, and see what you end up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Eliminate taxes, wait a few years, and see what you end up with.
    I give.....less government maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    Slight side note, but you're probably not free. You own a home, even outright without a mortgage? Pay taxes on it don't ya? Yeah...You're free all right. Free to bend over for life on something you worked for, squirreled away for, and finally paid for. Now it's yours...or is it?
    The reference, obviously, was in regards to the 2A and typical unconstitutional restrictions.
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    The 2nd Amendment sais' nothing about felons not owning guns... just putting that out there.
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