I for one do not want to see holder forced to resign, I would prefer he be prosecuted for contempt, fined, jailed and removed from office in disgrace.
Well, that will not happen. President Obama doesn't care about public image, and will protect his buddy that he appointed. Flagrant abuse of power, or just an ineptitude on a grand scale alone of an appointed friend would cause most politicians to at least try and save face by firing said appointed friend.
I don't really care how Holder is removed for office, I just care that he gets removed. I wish Rep. Issa the best of luck in his battle against Holder.
Being a former Federal Agent yourself, I am shocked that you are not outraged by this.
These guns showed up at the murder scenes of two Federal Agents.
I am not attacking this from a political angle.
I honestly don't give a fat rats butt what party Holder belongs to.
In my opinion he should be charged, at the very least with "complicity" in the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and from the facts as I understand them, conspiracy charges would be in order.
Republican, Democrat, Liberitarian, or Independent, doesnt matter
What Holder did, and what he allowed to happen on his watch was criminal.
@Stubborn; IMO it is a political thread and little more.
if we don't want this board to be political, which is the position that is officially taken, responsibility lies with
the person who starts the thread or makes the first political post. After that, it is inevitable that others will
salute the comment or oppose it.
I'm trying to keep my mouth shut on the merits of the charge, but you can already see from post 23 how this is going to
You and I obviously don't see eye to eye on politics and most political matters, we never have, and probably never will, but that's OK...that's what make this country so great.
But honestly when politics are set aside, most of the time we seem to come down on the same side of most issues, with more in common than differences.
Barney Fife's version of Fast and Furious:
"Hey kid, why don't you go ahead and steal that pack of gum on the counter? Run on outside, chew a piece, then I'll come in and catch you... You'll give back the pack but get a stick of gum out of it, and I'll get the credit for catching you! That sounds reasonable, right? It's a Win-Win situation!"
ATF: an expensive solution that's in a continual search of a problem....
Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious are strategic products of a Drug War. This war is not an internet debate or anything that fits into a kid-glove parlour box. It's a real war with drug terrorists who mostly belong to blood-money "cartels".Quote:
The great uncertainty of all data in war is a peculiar difficulty, because all action must, to a certain extent, be planned in a mere twilight, which in addition not infrequently — like the effect of a fog or moonlight — gives to things exaggerated dimensions and unnatural appearance. - Carl von Clausewitz
We fight this war on several fronts. Arguably, our new military legacy in Iraq and Afghanistan is to fight rabid religious extremists in the aftermath of 911. In Afghanistan, two drug facts emerge. 1) "[M]ore than half the income of Afghanistan derive[s] from the opium trade". And, 2) Currently, spanning two US presidential elections, our country is spending $800M / year to eradicate opium in Afghanistan with over half of that in payment to farmers to plant alternative crops.
The Drug War is a bipartisan attempt to control the behavior of otherwise law-abiding citizens. It is analogous to prohibition in the 1920's. The gang wars of prohibition are a miniature of the global drug conflict that the US sponsors more than any country. But we see the same distortions of society and corruptions of some opportunists in power.
In spite of the failures of Wide Reciever, efforts at gun walking continued to grow.
The setting of Fast and Furious is our southwestern border. Federal agents are responsible for violating federal and international arms laws by endorsing illegal straw purchases. Over several years. The discovery of F&F guns at the murder scene of US Border agent emphasizes the duty of citizens to demand a full accounting of the feds' illegal activities.
The feds don't have much to show for al of this. They aren't even explaining it. The law should be blind to the political party in power. But Americans are due a clear explanation and our lacking one exacerbates the casualties of a war that many of us oppose. And it's contemptible.
^^^^^^^what Pistology said^^^^^^^^^^