Look Out...Interstate reciprocity...democrat style

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    Look Out...Interstate reciprocity...democrat style

    This is why we should keep the nose of the federal camel out of the states' tent.

    Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) today announced that next week she will introduce the Common-Sense Concealed Firearms Act of 2011, which would require all states that allow residents to carry concealed weapons in public to have minimum standards for granting permits.
    Senator Boxer said, “The tragic events in Tucson earlier this month are a reminder of why we need common-sense gun laws. This measure will establish reasonable permitting standards for Americans who wish to carry concealed firearms. According to a recent poll, more than 60 percent of respondents believe there should be a reasonable permitting process for those who wish to carry concealed firearms.”

    Senator Boxer’s legislation would require all states that allow residents to carry concealed weapons to establish permitting processes that would include meaningful consultation with local law enforcement authorities to determine whether the permit applicant is worthy of the public trust and has shown good cause to carry a concealed firearm.

    Official Website of U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer: Press Releases - Boxer to Introduce Common-Sense Concealed Firearms Act of 2011
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    Glad to say that this old news (Jan 2011) and as far as I know her attempt never gotr off the ground. She'll probably try again using Trevon Martin in the title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunthorp View Post
    consultation with local law enforcement authorities to determine whether the permit applicant is worthy of the public trust and has shown good cause to carry a concealed firearm.
    It is because of this line, this issue is a non starter.
    There is no "Good cause" needed for a constitutional right. "worthy of the public trust and has shown good cause" would have Mr. "thrill up my leg" Chris Matthews removed from the air based on ratings. no public trust or good cause to exercise his first amendment rights.

    once that door is opened all kinds of shanaguns will take place "for the public good" kim jong Il would be proud.
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    Dated - and she has been out played.For Immediate Release:
    January 21, 2011

    Boxer to Introduce Common-Sense Concealed Firearms Act of 2011 - Sen Boxer (the other Botox Queen and CA Sen) has no common sense! Thank god she and Nancy are getting OLD! Natural causes are the only way they will leave office. I wish both very long lives, but not in office representing CA. But then again, the idiots in CA (the majority of the live, dead and illegal voters that count) put them into office.

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    The House already passed a law that, if a Rub Senate and Pres comes to power in Jan, 2013, will fix Ca, Il, NY, HI and a couple of other states!
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    I know, but it shows us why we must oppose any federal attempts to regulate reciprocity, from all quarters. The dems tipped their hand. You don't suppose they would try again, or amend what might then be a Trojan horse? If they make me see a psychologist in order to carry with "good cause," I'll go out of my mind.
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    They just don't like that "shall issue" do they..... and think we should have to prove we are "worthy" and have " a need" other than self-protection.

    Keep the Feds out of this folks.... we're getting there ... State by State.... who will recognize "all" state's permits. That's the way to handle it. It may be slower, but it will get there.... except in DC, New York, New Jersey & California.
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    The NRA is backing a National Reciprocity bill that would require all states that issue permits (49) to recognize all the others with no additional requirements. It may pass the House and Senate but we'll have wait til after Barry leaves office for it to be law.

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    @gunthorp: the problem with your argument and approach in your thread is that you are attempting to make this an issue of affiliation with a political party. Having an R by your name does not automatically make you pro-2A, nor does having a D make you against it. The same thing can be said about the terms liberal and conservative. This has been hashed out on many past occasions in just the last year that I have been a member of DC with many examples sited. This particular piece of legislative garbage smells more like California than Democrat and thankfully is going nowhere.

    Your point that we need to be vigilent about our elected representatives of all flavors, and at all lelves is absolutely correct. Eternal vigilence is required.

    With respect to the concept of national reciprocity, I disagree that this is an example of "why we need to keep the govt out of our govt issued permit process". As my representative put it when discussing this issue: 1) national reciprocity is not a bad thing and will help many whose states aren't getting with the program 2) lets deal with bad legislation as it comes up and not use the spectre of it as an excuse to avoid doing something that benefits many. Lack of legislation for national reciprocity is not a defense against bad legislation to restrict rights. The antis do not need existing legislation, good or bad, to write a bad law. If you are happy with your reciprocity, great, you are fortunate. I too am fortunate to live in a state with a very high level of reciprocity. Other's aren't, with some even being blocked by every neighbor and for some of these people it will probably take federal action to change it for them. For those that are happy with their reciprocity, it is easy to say the process works and shouldn't be messed with.
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    For those that are happy with their reciprocity, it is easy to say the process works and shouldn't be messed with.
    Since the citizens of those states are happy with the laws in their states, would it be wrong for me to assume that the citizens in the states that have no recipricol benefits should have the gumption to get off of their dead asses and make it happen for themselves or is it a liberal thought process that prevails there that expects the rest of the country to do it for them?

    They voted in the goverments that they wanted. They could vote the bums out.

    Why should we encourage federal action to ease gun restrictions in their states, when they refuse to do it themselves?

    The Feds would screw it up in order to appease the socialist heathens and mobsters that rule with an iron fist. I personally am not willing to let them even try.

    Any gunowner that pays attention to the foolishness that comes from California needs a lesson in both history and reality.

    Mrs. Boxer wont quit with the gun restrictions until she breathes her last breath. This one didnt make it, but she will try again.
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    Sounds like discretionary licenseing to me. Some, if not all, of the blue states have this now. They will never stop trying to rip up the Constitution. Religious freedom,free speech,right to keep and bear arms,these are all under assault now by this bunch of Marxist that have invaded our government.Its up to us to vote them out,and keep them out. These afore mentioned God given Rights are to them like the sun is to a vampire. The shown good cause to carry part makes me chuckle,do these idiots watch the news?,by that I mean some news other than state controlled news, do they read about whats happening in the real world? She could care less about the public or the public trust,or a safer society ,or whatever other bs smoke screen they blow our way. Its all about controlling the population, and they can only have limited control over an armed population. They will win in the end if more don't step up to support those organizations that fight this fight on our behalf.Find one,join it and support it.

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    Bilderberg 2012 is happening right now as we speak in Texas.... I bet they are planning even worse fear mongering methods of taking control of our 2a and freedoms than this puppet boxer can come up with.
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    any bill that has to put "common sense" in the title, probably isn't :)

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    Sorry, it's only 97% of the anit-gun "D" folk that give a bad rap to the rest of them. (quoted from make-up-your-own-statistics-when-you-need-them.gov)

    I can't imagine any problem that requires giving the feds more power at the expense of the states, since the war of northern aggression, that has not become the worse for it. IMO reciprocity ought to be the purview of the attorney general of each state until comity is reached, like that for DL's. More and more states are honoring all other permits. Some are backsliding until they realize lost tourism revenue. I will not spend one dollar in a state that doesn't recognize one of my permits. Call me paranoid for worrying about what the feds might do to amend later a "nice" law now. Why, I'd have to believe a "temporary" tax will never rise.
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