Positive Aritcle on Ohio Carry in Bar Law

Positive Aritcle on Ohio Carry in Bar Law

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    Positive Aritcle on Ohio Carry in Bar Law

    Patrons carrying guns in Ohio bars: Whatever happened to ...?

    Published: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 12:00 PM Updated: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 5:30 PM

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    Ohioans have been allowed to pack heat inside bars for more than six months now, thanks to a law passed last year.

    - "I haven't heard anything about it since then," said Jay McDonald, president of the Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio, which opposed the law.

    - Opponents of the law said bars would take on a "wild West" atmosphere if patrons could arm themselves.

    - From Oct. 1, 2011 -- the day after the law took effect -- until April 1, 2012, there were four felony assaults involving a gun in Cleveland at a bar or liquor establishment, according to the department's crime analysis unit.

    - There were six such incidents over that same time span a year earlier when the law was not in effect.

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    someone must have missed the count on this on


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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    someone must have missed the count on this on
    That video was posted two years before concealed carry in bars became allowed in Ohio, so everybody in that bar with a gun was committing a 3rd degree felony before the aggravated assaults began.
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    The media loves to call it "guns in bars" when the real intent was simply to allow legally armed citizens to eat in restaurants that had a liquor license. I used to hate the idea of going to dinner and leaving my gun in the car. Almost as much as I hated to leave the restaurant later in the evening and know I had to walk with my family from the restaurant to the car unarmed.

    Strange that before the law was changed it was apparantley assumed that I could resist the urge to drink liquor at home and carry, but for some reason would get drunk and shoot the place up if I went anywhere they served alcohol... go figure.

    The same old tired claims of "blood in the streets" were made when the concealed carry law was passed in 2004. And again, much ado about nothing.
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    I started carrying at Anthony's Bar & Grill in West Chester OH as the general manager. No problems by us.
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    The liberal media and the leftist liberal politicians were all claiming that if the law passed the streets would be running red with blood and we would be back to the wild west days with constant shootouts. Typical liberal illogical blather! Anyone with half a brain knew it wasn't going to happen!

    On another point though, my blood pressure shot up as I read the article. Is it just me, or is anyone else highly offended by the expression "packing heat"? It is a phrase the liberal media loves to use, and it drives me up the wall! I "carry a firearm" or "carry a gun" or "carry a pistol", etc. I DO NOT PACK HEAT!!!! To me, "packin heat" is a highly offensive slang term that only displays the writer's or TV commentator's IGNORANCE!!!! To me, it is as offensive as that liberal flake cartoonist Mike Peters always portraying the NRA and all gun owners as beer-bellied, sloppy, uneducated, ignorant red-necks who shoot up everything in sight! It really P!$$@$ me off!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDE101 View Post
    beer-bellied, sloppy, uneducated, ignorant red-necks who shoot up everything in sight!
    That's pretty close to how I describe conservatives.

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    JDE101....I'm with you, I find "PACKING HEAT" offensive. It makes the media look like a bunch of idiots who don't have a legitimate thought of their own. OH, wait a minute, they don't!!
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    The media and anti's always want to look for the worst.

    It doesn't matter to them if facts disprove them over and over. Here in VA we heard the same thing, how there were going to be shootouts every night. The streets/"bars" would be running red with blood. They couldn't understand that it was already legal to open carry where alcohol was served, just not concealed. There were no problems, but they thought that the gun being hidden would cause problem. They also couldn't comprehend the fact that our conceal carry law would not allow you to drink if carrying concealed, however if you were open carrying you can drink. They just hate the fact their predictions didn't come true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDE101 View Post
    The liberal media and the leftist liberal politicians were all claiming that if the law passed the streets would be running red with blood and we would be back to the wild west days with constant shootouts. Typical liberal illogical blather! Anyone with half a brain knew it wasn't going to happen!
    Where do the police fit on your value scale? I notice in the article they also opposed the measure. I guess they're somewhere between the media and the leftist politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    That's pretty close to how I describe conservatives.
    From a 145 lb, well kempt, well educated and informed red-neck conservative who loves to shoot at the range or any other area deemed a safe place for target practice, you might hate the way I describe liberals.

    Although I don't even much like falling into the conservative category these days. Maybe constitutionalist conservative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrwizr View Post
    Where do the police fit on your value scale? I notice in the article they also opposed the measure. I guess they're somewhere between the media and the leftist politicians.
    I think for the most part, the rank and file LEO support it. It's the political appointee's that echo the opinion of their bosses, and therefore get the press.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I think for the most part, the rank and file LEO support it. It's the political appointee's that echo the opinion of their bosses, and therefore get the press.
    Yup, that's my take as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DontTreadOnI View Post
    From a 145 lb, well kempt, well educated and informed red-neck conservative who loves to shoot at the range or any other area deemed a safe place for target practice, you might hate the way I describe liberals.

    Although I don't even much like falling into the conservative category these days. Maybe constitutionalist conservative.
    I think you "got" my intentions. In case it wasn't so clear for everyone, my statement was meant as humor to highlight the absurdity of the "liberal" rant that is, again, becoming pervasive in many threads. For the most part, it is propegated by a select handful of members, but it also seem to attract a certain kind of new member, which causes me to think that Internet search engines may be labeling this forum as political via keywords.

    Gun rights and pro-2A supporters are few enough as it is, and definately a minority of the voting population. As a group, we absolutely can not afford to demonize or ostracize a subset of our supporters. It is a really sad state of affairs, but the truth is that there are forces, especially in the media, whose intention is to make you angry and give you a target for your anger and in doing so manipulate you into supporting the goals. These pundits are constantly screaming "liberal" this and "liberal" that as being the cause of everything from bad breath to violent weather and it is no wonder that we see that reflected in posts here.

    Does the "liberal" bashing gain or accomplish anything productive? Does it convince anyone to support the cause? No because if you agree with it, it is a non starter, but if you disagree with it, it is off putting. What it most certainly is though, is disrespectful. Disrespectful of this forum, it's managment, and its members who may consider themselves to be "liberal". Please do realize that there are a couple hundred active posters in this forum, but thousands of silent lurkers who may be influenced by our words and actions, even negatively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrwizr View Post
    Where do the police fit on your value scale? I notice in the article they also opposed the measure. I guess they're somewhere between the media and the leftist politicians.
    No, not in between at all, since they are allowed to carry in Ohio whether drinking or not. Here is their stated position:

    "Jay McDonald, president of the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police, said it is ridiculous to compare a trained police officer to a regular citizen who happens have a concealed carry permit.
    “We are required to meet a much higher level of training and re-training for how to properly handle our weapons and we are trained to know in which situations to shoot and not to shoot,” McDonald said. “If they want to require the same level of training for CCW holders as I have to meet as a law enforcement officer, then we will drop our opposition.”
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