Retired CA cop shows the importance of concealed-carry for safety - Most CA Cannot!

Retired CA cop shows the importance of concealed-carry for safety - Most CA Cannot!

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    Retired CA cop shows the importance of concealed-carry for safety - Most CA Cannot!

    GREEN: Gun beats knife
    Retired cop shows the importance of concealed-carry for safety

    The Washington Times
    Tuesday, May 29, 2012

    My Comments: I posted this in 2A, as opposed to Good/Bad/Ugly because it is the Washington Times talking about how - key point - the criminals in CA Depend on the fact that most home owners and citizens are not armed. Look at the under reported violent crime rates in CA's major cities = more laws against firearms to crush the Law Abiding US Citizen of thier 2A rights.


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    Being a retired cop (this is just wrong - special class of Citizen? - I like Police, not the point) made all the difference for Kio Ebrahimzadeh when he and his date were threatened with a knife earlier this month. The majority of California residents would have been helpless in the face of the imminent assault. Mr. Ebrahimzadeh is one of the privileged few in the Golden State permitted to carry a concealed gun.

    ----(snip)---

    In California, the only way a citizen supposedly can obtain a concealed-carry permit is if a bureaucrat arbitrarily decides an applicant has “good cause” - which in practice means it is nearly impossible to get one. As of 2011, San Francisco had issued zero permits to civilians and Los Angeles only 220, according to the Calguns Foundation. Wanting better personal security in a bad neighborhood or even having one’s life actually threatened isn’t considered sufficient. In some cases, political connections or campaign donations to elected officials helped. This stingy policy empowers criminals by creating an environment in which bad guys know that most potential victims are defenseless. Park clearly wasn’t expecting anyone at the 3rd Stop to be armed..[/B] Park clearly wasn’t expecting anyone at the 3rd Stop to be armed. Upon being confronted with Mr. Ebrahimzadeh’s gun, he spluttered, “You set me up!”

    Instead of surrendering, Park left the restaurant carrying his weapon. Worried that Park was a danger to innocent bystanders, Mr. Ebrahimzadeh followed for blocks, pistol still drawn, shouting at pedestrians to get out of the way and call 911. One good Samaritan joined in the chase and kept dispatchers updated on their location.

    ----(snip)-----


    If Mr. Ebrahimzadeh hadn’t been a cop, he’d have been a victim. California and other jurisdictions that don’t respect the Second Amendment need to ease up on arbitrary gun restrictions so all citizens can defend themselves against dangerous criminals who strike without warning.

    My Comments: Gee, all of our politicians and movie stars in CA have 'Good Cause', mostly because they donate big $$ to County Sheriff Relections (there are a couple of Counties like Fresno where the Sheriff is excellent at handing out permits - because she understands her job and the crime rate is through the roof).


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    Truly retarded

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    Don't blame the cop because he had the right to carry. The citizens of California need to elect more conservative politicians and get the libs out of office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azretired View Post
    Don't blame the cop because he had the right to carry. The citizens of California need to elect more conservative politicians and get the libs out of office.
    I agree! You should talk to the idiots who vote in CA. They (the majority obviously) have no clue what is going on beyond being annoyed at a long line at the coffee shop.

    I want to make it clear that I was not attacking LEO in the OP. I just think it is wrong for them to be considered a 'special class of citizen'. If they are 'special' in CA, why not Military, or EMTs, or DRs., or Nurses or that one Great Guy Driving A Tow Truck (for little money) who pulls your bacon off of the freeway in the middle of the night in LA and the BGs know he has cash and is an easy target - but he is there for you when you need him? Being a former Peace Officer does not make you a special class of Citizen. It does gain my respect and thank you.

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    Just wondering which movie stars have permits?
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    This is the main reason I have always been against granting special rights to specified groups. I was against the law that granted LEO's the right to carry throughout the country. Not because I am anti cop but because if we grant government workers special rights then the government has no need to grant us those same rights.

    Granting these special rights is no different than the middle ages in Europe where only nobility had rights. That nobility could if it desired grant some form of those rights to its commoners if they so desired.

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    I carry under the LEOSA law but since I live in Arizona we have Constitutional Carry like Alaska and New Hampshire and a couple others now. It's a trend I would like to see keep growing. More guns = Less Crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by azretired View Post
    I carry under the LEOSA law but since I live in Arizona we have Constitutional Carry like Alaska and New Hampshire and a couple others now. It's a trend I would like to see keep growing. More guns = Less Crime
    NH doesn't have Constitutional Carry. Right next door, Vermont does.

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    I think we all agree that CA is screwed up. But did anyone else notice that he followed the guy, gun drawn for blocks? Makes you wonder how smart that was. Gun LA means BG to cops. He is lucky he didn't get shot. A wiser move would have been to holster the weapon, call 911 or have his GF and then follow if he wanted to. He was retired, not an active LEO.

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    Back to the intent of the OP:To an anti gun person this article will be read in a different way.

    They will say that as a retired LEO he has the experience and wisdom to carry a firearm and did it responsibily without firing a shot.

    Or:

    This is another reason why not to give weapons to citizens. The man (they will conveniently leave out the part he was retired LEO) turned vigalante, pursuing a homless man who just wanted a meal, possibly putting other citizens in danger (akin to following another driver at high speed, you put others at risk). And why would you want to shoot someone over a meal.

    That is the spin the anti crowd will use. Tell me if I am wrong

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    Park clearly wasn’t expecting anyone at the 3rd Stop to be armed. Upon being confronted with Mr. Ebrahimzadeh’s gun, he spluttered, “You set me up!”
    The violent, murderous criminal set himself up, via his own lunatic actions. Of course, he'll never see it that way.

    [California's "good cause" issuance policy] empowers criminals by creating an environment in which bad guys know that most potential victims are defenseless.
    Yup. That's about all that need be said. Criminals know it. And criminals know the politicos/bureaucrats don't give a whit about the reality, at least not until they themselves are under the knife.
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