College campus police profiling gun owners... - Page 2

College campus police profiling gun owners...

This is a discussion on College campus police profiling gun owners... within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 Using deceptive and less-than-forthright methods in the attempt to garner information is hardly new, or surprising. If people are willing to ...

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 53
Like Tree31Likes

Thread: College campus police profiling gun owners...

  1. #16
    Member Array YANG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    The land of 10,000 Lakes.
    Posts
    182
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Using deceptive and less-than-forthright methods in the attempt to garner information is hardly new, or surprising. If people are willing to volunteer personal information, police are certainly willing to note it for future fishing expeditions.
    True. There is no way for them to know if you do anyways.

    Side note: Does sling shots count?


    NRA Member
    Gen4 G23


  2. #17
    VIP Member
    Array Mike1956's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Marion County, Ohio
    Posts
    11,047
    Quote Originally Posted by YANG View Post
    True. There is no way for them to know if you do anyways.

    Side note: Does sling shots count?
    That would be a good question to ask the officer. I'm sure he will take your name and contact info so he can get back to you with a thoroughly-researched response.
    "If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast."
    William T. Sherman

  3. #18
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    11,715
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911srule View Post
    Hopyard,
    Yes they did state weapons policy after posing the question.
    Yes, I thought so.


    Clearly you misjudge me...again. "Indoc" is in reference to the two day welcome aboard classes both parents and students attend. It covers financing and school policies, procedures, tours, ect. Was not referring to any other meaning. Not worried at all, just ticks me off that this was done. For one if they are looking for potential active shooters the information they sought would not help imo. If they are just looking for who to concentrate on for either dorm or vehicle searches, they are just as wrong in methodology. My belief system is not an issue here whatsoever. I am Conservative and Pro Second Amendment but it would be ignorant of me to think any college would respect that. [/QUOTE]

    And right there is why you chose to use the word "indoc" instead of "orientation." As I said, save yourself
    some money.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
    Andrew Jackson

  4. #19
    Member Array 1911srule's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    366
    Hopyard,
    Wow, you really think ...differently. I spent 21 yrs on active duty, every PCS move had a base INDOC(their word not mine)to attend. A welcome aboard, ect. Big deal, whys it gotta be interpreted as brainwashing by you. Or you think by me? OMG (yeah I'm a Christian too)you are the one who needs to relax Sir. Get off your high horse and have a good day...
    RIP Jeff Cooper

  5. #20
    VIP Member Array Madcap_Magician's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    MN
    Posts
    2,002
    I am interested in which college this was.
    Hakkaa päälle!

  6. #21
    Ex Member Array Ram Rod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Fayetteville, AR
    Posts
    13,687
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911srule View Post
    Took my son to college today for orientation. Parents and kids separate to attend different indoc stuff. Afterwards my son says before students introduced themselves the campus police asked "Is there anyone here who hunts or owns guns?" Several students raise their hands, my son noted the police were writing down their names as they introduced themselves. Boy that jerks my chain! I understand the concern, but I don't like the method used. It was deceptive imho.
    Profiling......that's where it all starts isn't it?

    Boy that jerks my chain!
    Let us know how you really feel about it. No kidding....I for one think you should spell it out for those who think it's in their best interest or personal protection.
    You feel this ordeal is authoritarian, socialistic, or communistic in origin? We all understand 'the concern', but for some of us your chain jerked sends waves across the pond. When are we gonna say enough is enough? Right here...right now....stand up in front of the class and say I am an American (just like the TV commercial last year). Come here venting your experiences.....that's fine.....more folks ought to be pissed at this ordeal that you experienced personally. We just need to get the sympathetic on the move instead of simply agreeing with you on your personal issue. In the end this concerns all of us. Nobody realizes that at the time.
    Hang in there, bite your tongue, or throw a fit in front of the Dean. Principles? Principles cannot be cried over....you can't ask others what your principles should be or what they think of yours. Concerns and dislikes should always be voiced at the time. Deceptive? That's what you have in front of you now.....know your enemy.
    Why do people put up with this?
    A suppressed people are weak. Why the system works.
    Never submit to a profiling. I got the same sort of thing with yearly hearing tests performed by contractors through my place of employment. Survey questions asked were profiling. I told them to stick it and a lot of other things since they were going by SSN at the time.
    The system has run amok. It will only intrude where you let it. Never be afraid to say no.
    Frankly, I'm about tired of all the BS they're laying down now. Yet sometimes it comes down to simply holding a financial obligation over your head in order to overlook some discrepancies. This is where America is weak and the individual held in contempt. Makes me sick.
    1911srule likes this.

  7. #22
    VIP Member Array dukalmighty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    15,179
    Knock knock,Police,were want to search your room,Why?.You may have a gun.I'm not giving you consent!Thats alright we have probable cause and we have a search warrant based on the fact you said you own firearms.
    "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
    --Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .

  8. #23
    Senior Member Array highvoltage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    NH
    Posts
    1,121
    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    ...Ask your son, after he is settled in the dorms to get cozy with the dorm floor supervisor (cannot remember the proper name of the person - usually a senior student or grad student who monitors the floor for a free room)........
    Resident assistant, or RA.

  9. #24
    Member Array 1911srule's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    366
    Ram Rod,
    I'm planning on talking with the campus cop and address this. Just gotta be tactful, cuz I don't want to cause trouble for my son. He was not one of the students who raised their hands btw. He told me it was obvious where it was leading. Just think some kid who deer hunts or is a gun owner shouldn't be looked at as a potential threat...
    RIP Jeff Cooper

  10. #25
    Ex Member Array Bullet1234's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    963
    Never answer questions,,,, especially when it is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
    Mike1956, ppkheat and 1911srule like this.

  11. #26
    VIP Member
    Array Mike1956's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Marion County, Ohio
    Posts
    11,047
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911srule View Post
    Ram Rod,
    I'm planning on talking with the campus cop and address this. Just gotta be tactful, cuz I don't want to cause trouble for my son. He was not one of the students who raised their hands btw. He told me it was obvious where it was leading. Just think some kid who deer hunts or is a gun owner shouldn't be looked at as a potential threat...
    How, precisely will you address the perfectly legal actions of the officer without calling unwanted attention to your otherwise-unnoticed son?
    atctimmy likes this.
    "If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast."
    William T. Sherman

  12. #27
    Ex Member Array oldrwizr's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Durham, N.C.
    Posts
    413
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Which part of "never talk to the police without a lawyer present" got by everybody?
    These are 18-YO kids, not seasoned thugs.

  13. #28
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    11,715
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911srule View Post
    Hopyard,
    Wow, you really think ...differently. I spent 21 yrs on active duty, every PCS move had a base INDOC(their word not mine)to attend. A welcome aboard, ect. Big deal, whys it gotta be interpreted as brainwashing by you. Or you think by me? OMG (yeah I'm a Christian too)you are the one who needs to relax Sir. Get off your high horse and have a good day...
    Here is one dictionary definition of "indoctrination"
    indoctrination
    [in-dok-truh-ney-shuhn] Example Sentences
    in·doc·tri·na·tion
      [in-dok-truh-ney-shuhn] Show IPA
    noun
    the act of indoctrinating, or teaching or inculcating a doctrine, principle, or ideology, especially one with a specific point of view: religious indoctrination.

    Indoctrination | Define Indoctrination at Dictionary.com

    Note that "indoctrination" implies more than providing information, and is different from
    "orientation" which is what most schools call these sessions-- Freshman Orientation.

    I'm sure the school didn't call the sessions "indoc;" that term came from the OP and it
    says something about how he views the situation, though I do understand his follow up
    comment and appreciate the clarification.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
    Andrew Jackson

  14. #29
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    11,715
    Quote Originally Posted by 1911srule View Post
    Ram Rod,
    I'm planning on talking with the campus cop and address this. Just gotta be tactful, cuz I don't want to cause trouble for my son. He was not one of the students who raised their hands btw. He told me it was obvious where it was leading. Just think some kid who deer hunts or is a gun owner shouldn't be looked at as a potential threat...
    If your son is like most kids his age, he wants you as far away as quickly as possible. He will view
    your attempt to talk to the cops as 'interfering with his life.' This is one situation where a parent
    needs to MYOB. Believe me, you'll not influence the Campus Po Po, but you will irritate your son.

    If you paid attention at "indoc" (I mean freshman orientation) you would by now know that at 18
    the school won't consult you, won't share info about your son with you, and won't even release his
    grades to you. From their point of view he is an independent adult. You just get the bills. Enjoy.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
    Andrew Jackson

  15. #30
    VIP Member
    Array ppkheat's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Louisiana
    Posts
    4,157
    We've put both of our kids through college, and that was a good time/place for them to address their problems at their school or in that community. I encouraged them to do so on their own so they could get some real-life experiences.

    Twice my kids got exhausted in their effort to rectify whatever they were dealing with and asked for my input. Both times I told the "official" that since their tuition is my money, I'm pinch-hitting for my kids and have a interest in their case. That got the "officials" attention, they were happy to talk with me, and we resolved the issue.

    Aside from that, it holds little weight with me what the meeting was called in the OP. I'll let the content and delivery of the meeting determine what it's all about.

    Just because I like the title, doesn't mean I'd enjoy reading the book.
    Turn the election's in 2014 to a "2A Revolution". It will serve as a 1994 refresher not to "infringe" on our Second Amendment. We know who they are now.........SEND 'EM HOME. Our success in this will be proportional to how hard we work to make it happen.

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Search tags for this page

campus police forums

,

college for gun owners

,

college police gun storage

,

firearm storage state college pa

,

gun storage in state college pa

,

police profiling gun owners

,

unt police

,

unt police firearms

,

unt police zones

Click on a term to search for related topics.