Have you contacted your US Senators about the UN Small Arms Treaty?

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    Yes, an FFL has to surrender the 4473's to the Feds but that does not concern me. What do you think a NICS check is? All transactions are recorded. Why do you think you can record a "transaction" number?

    That small fact passes right over simple people. Stupid people wont believe it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Do you have a reference for that...I am not good at hints. I thought you could enlighten us.
    Hopefully a FFL holder will step in and supply the exact reg for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Yes, an FFL has to surrender the 4473's to the Feds but that does not concern me. What do you think a NICS check is? All transactions are recorded. Why do you think you can record a "transaction" number?

    That small fact passes right over simple people. Stupid people wont believe it anyway.
    Exactly, just because a law was created to prevent gun registration does not mean the the Government will not attempt to do it anyway. They get around this prohibition against registration by claiming that it is not registration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    This treaty is the first step to mandatory registration and eventually seize if all private firearms.
    It may not happen for awhile, but for those that think it is a non-issue....

    How will you think of this when your children or grandchildren don't have the same rights that you enjoy today? Will you still think of it as a "non issue" then?

    This short-sighted crap of "it's no big deal" is exactly how we continue to lose our rights.
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    All the way at the bottom of the page for you disbelievers...

    http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-15.pdf


    Sale of Business or Going Out of Business
    You must give written notice to the Chief, FFLC, within
    30 days after you sell or discontinue your firearms or
    ammunition business. If you sell or discontinue your
    firearms or ammunition business and are succeeded by
    a new licensee, your firearms dealer records should be
    marked to show this fact and must be delivered to the
    successor. If you do not have a successor, you must
    deliver all of your firearms records within 30 days of
    going completely out of the firearms business to:
    ATF National Tracing Center
    Out-of-Business Records Center
    244 Needy Road
    Martinsburg, WV 25405

    See how it works? They dont call it registration because at the moment it is illegal. They call it a "trace".

    Brilliant aint it? That causes most Americans to believe that guns aren't"registered". Maybe I am simple. If the Feds know where they are at and who has them,for all practical purposes they are registered.
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    Thanks HotGuns. It is surprising how many people are willing to blindly accept whatever the Government tells them.

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    What we have here is a proposed international treaty that would regulate the sales of military weaponry world wide. We are talking military weaponry=apples; as opposed to sporting and self defense firearms=oranges. i have trained folks in foreign countries on weaponry purchased through US military sales. The "end user" of military weaponry is the country that purchased the weaponry. Many US sales of military weaponry to foreign countries have strings attached in the form of "end user" agreements. Some "end user" agreements stipulate the purchasing country may not sell the weaponry to a third country. Some "end user" agreements even stipulate how the packaging of the weaponry must be destroyed.
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    Thanks for the reminder, I fired off a e-mail to Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsbacker View Post
    Thanks for the reminder, I fired off a e-mail to Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.
    You know you have two Senators! Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    What we have here is a proposed international treaty that would regulate the sales of military weaponry world wide. We are talking military weaponry=apples; as opposed to sporting and self defense firearms=oranges. i have trained folks in foreign countries on weaponry purchased through US military sales. The "end user" of military weaponry is the country that purchased the weaponry. Many US sales of military weaponry to foreign countries have strings attached in the form of "end user" agreements. Some "end user" agreements stipulate the purchasing country may not sell the weaponry to a third country. Some "end user" agreements even stipulate how the packaging of the weaponry must be destroyed.
    And the U.S. Government has never defined hunting or target rifles as assault 'military' weapons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    All the way at the bottom of the page for you disbelievers...

    http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-15.pdf


    Sale of Business or Going Out of Business
    You must give written notice to the Chief, FFLC, within
    30 days after you sell or discontinue your firearms or
    ammunition business. If you sell or discontinue your
    firearms or ammunition business and are succeeded by
    a new licensee, your firearms dealer records should be
    marked to show this fact and must be delivered to the
    successor. If you do not have a successor, you must
    deliver all of your firearms records within 30 days of
    going completely out of the firearms business to:
    ATF National Tracing Center
    Out-of-Business Records Center
    244 Needy Road
    Martinsburg, WV 25405

    See how it works? They dont call it registration because at the moment it is illegal. They call it a "trace".

    Brilliant aint it? That causes most Americans to believe that guns aren't"registered". Maybe I am simple. If the Feds know where they are at and who has them,for all practical purposes they are registered.
    I'm glad you posted this. I didn't know how any of that worked until now. ...Ugh... add that to another reason the ATF needs to be disbanded.

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    yes, i have. all should do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsbacker View Post
    Thanks for the reminder, I fired off a e-mail to Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.
    That was probably waste of bandwidth. Sherrod Brown is about as anti-gun as it gets. Sherrod Brown on the Issues

    I think this might be blown out of proportion. The NRA is using it to drum up money. They have been sending all kinds of ridiculous sky is falling letters for the last year. It is hard to take them seriously anymore. I let my membership lapse. I frankly think they are afraid to win. They got so used to fighting rights battles, they don't know what to do anymore now that things are actually going our way. Acting like a bunch of conspiracy crazed lunatics doesn't seem time a good way for them to go. When they return focus to education and positive advocacy and I'll come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    I have done it several times with responses back from the Republicans. They are aware of it and vow to fight it...."to the last man".

    At least I know this one won't sneak up on them.
    Same response here. If it is not ratified.... anyone wanna bet we'll see an EO shortly thereafter?
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